===[Task]=== Crowd Sourced - Dacians

[Lopess]

2 hours ago, Seleucids said:

I am trying to fix the Dacian civ in the Endovelico mod. I forked their repository and made changes within my fork, and now Dacians are a playable civ in this repo: https://github.com/Yekaterina999/Endovelico

 

However, there are still non-fatal error spams while loading the map and during gameplay: 

ERROR: CCacheLoader failed to find archived or source file for: "simulation/templates/structures/epir/wallset_stone.xml"

ERROR: Failed to load entity template 'structures/epir/wallset_stone'

ERROR: Invalid template found for 'structures/epir/wallset_stone'

ERROR: JavaScript error: globalscripts/Templates.js line 174

ERROR: CMapGenerationCallbacks::LoadScripts: Failed to load script 'maps/random/rmgen-common/wall_builder.js'

ERROR: CCacheLoader failed to find archived or source file for: "art/actors/props/special/common/garrison_flag_daci.xml"

ERROR: CObjectManager::FindActorDef(): Cannot find actor 'props/special/common/garrison_flag_daci.xml'

ERROR: Failed to find matching prop point called "projectile" in model "art/meshes/structural/daci/cc.dae" for actor "structures/dacians/civic_center.xml255"

ERROR: Probable infinite inheritance loop in entity template 'structures/xion/barracks'

ERROR: Failed to load entity template 'structures/xion/barracks'

ERROR: Probable infinite inheritance loop in entity template 'structures/xion/barracks'

ERROR: Failed to load entity template 'structures/yuez/barracks_empty'

ERROR: CCacheLoader failed to find archived or source file for: "art/textures/skins/skeletal/no_spec.png"

ERROR: Failed to find matching prop point called "projectile" in model "art/meshes/structural/daci/fortress.dae" for actor "structures/dacians/fortress.xml255"

ERROR: CCacheLoader failed to find archived or source file for: "art/actors/props/units/shields/pelta_triballi.xml"

ERROR: CObjectManager::FindActorDef(): Cannot find actor 'props/units/shields/pelta_triballi.xml'

ERROR: CCacheLoader failed to find archived or source file for: "art/textures/ui/session/portraits/units/celt_support_trader.png"

ERROR: Failed to find matching prop point called "projectile" in model "art/meshes/structural/daci/stone_tower.dae" for actor "structures/dacians/defense_tower.xml255"

ERROR: Failed to find matching prop point called "garrisoned" in model "art/meshes/structural/daci/cc.dae" for actor "structures/dacians/civic_center.xml255"

ERROR: Failed to find matching prop point called "projectile" in model "art/meshes/structural/daci/cc.dae" for actor "structures/dacians/civic_center.xml255"

 

The last few lines are caused by lack of prop points in the model for garrisoning and projectile. You must add enough prop points so that we can see arrows being shot and garrison flags. 

The first few lines are caused by bad wall definitions in other civs, not just Dacians. 

Furthermore, this civ is lacking an emblem, unit icons and unique unit models. The buildings are pretty much in place; we are only missing a stable and a civ-special building. 

@Duileoga @Lopess

Thanks for the feedback, these issues are already on our radar, my current idea is to use the "root" point that all models have and set a height close to the roof of the models.
Believe me, adding trim points and projectiles to hundreds of models is a lot of work, especially because the prop names cannot be repeated in the same blender file, and I haven't been able to automate this yet, only the export of models and their naming.

[Lopess]

2 hours ago, Seleucids said:

Furthermore, this civ needs some more balancing and content.

1. No stables available

2. Only CC can train ranged units. No ranged units in barracks

3. Only 1 hero

4. Need more cavalry where appropriate. 

 

Dacians are the most wanted civ according to the crowd feedback that I have seen, so it would be really useful to fix this civ first, out of the dozens of civs in Endovelico. 

1 R: Stables should be there.
2,3,4 Something easy to solve, do you want to try it on your fork? It would be good to see your vision of units for the unit, I believe @Duileoga also has his ideas.
We have a lot of things to do, all help is welcome and will always be credited!

[Seleucids]

16 hours ago, Lopess said:

Believe me, adding trim points and projectiles to hundreds of models is a lot of work, especially because the prop names cannot be repeated in the same blender file, and I haven't been able to automate this yet, only the export of models and their naming.

I understand the difficulty. Perhaps it would be a good idea to separate these civs out into 1 civ per mod. This makes debugging easier.

Currently, there are 30 civs sharing files and folders with each other. Some errors are intertwined and one mistake in a file caused chain reactions the screwed up the whole thing. If we separate the civs, it would be easier to isolate bugs and imperfections, e.g. missing buildings / units. 

 

@Hulla can give us some expertise on Dacian units. 

[Lopess]

11 minutes ago, Seleucids said:

I understand the difficulty. Perhaps it would be a good idea to separate these civs out into 1 civ per mod. This makes debugging easier.

Currently, there are 30 civs sharing files and folders with each other. Some errors are intertwined and one mistake in a file caused chain reactions the screwed up the whole thing. If we separate the civs, it would be easier to isolate bugs and imperfections, e.g. missing buildings / units. 

 

@Hulla can give us some expertise on Dacian units. 

I have a different view, in this case, I believe that with this volume of art involved 60 different bases to support it would be chaos.

[Lopess]

@Duileoga I will start making the units for the civs, with that many of the error issues will be looked at more carefully, today I will look at the issues of the projectile props, garrison and I will make temporary files for the garrison flags 

[Obskiuras]

2 hours ago, Lopess said:

@Duileoga I will start making the units for the civs, with that many of the error issues will be looked at more carefully, today I will look at the issues of the projectile props, garrison and I will make temporary files for the garrison flags 

I want to ask you if you can aesthetically improve the Suebi units, i design the shields, clothing,etc and you make it.

[Duileoga]

18 hours ago, Seleucids said:

I understand the difficulty. Perhaps it would be a good idea to separate these civs out into 1 civ per mod. This makes debugging easier.

Currently, there are 30 civs sharing files and folders with each other. Some errors are intertwined and one mistake in a file caused chain reactions the screwed up the whole thing. If we separate the civs, it would be easier to isolate bugs and imperfections, e.g. missing buildings / units. 

 

@Hulla can give us some expertise on Dacian units. 

Buenos días o tardes;

- Muchas gracias por su interés ,su gran ayuda y consejos .Son unas 64 facciones previstas(muy ambicioso) por lo que para acelerar la creación para esta primera versión ,pensamos @Lopess y yo en estandarizar todas las facciones según el canon del juego. Para esta primera versión la hoja de ruta sería;

1. Edificios.
2. Unidades.
3. (Las estructuras de archivos para hacer las jugables)
4. Animales de corral de cada civ.
5. Animales de fauna, para mapas.
6. Mapas únicos para cada civ.

-Como mi mayor aportación es la del diseño artístico de una base (bocetos) y aún me faltan los edificios Arsácidas/Parthians,la estética de las unidades se está retrasando .Para cada facción ya tengo una idea para las unidades, en el caso de los dacios;

On 22/09/2024 at 10:00 AM, Duileoga said:

- @Obskiuras , aquí un listado de unidades, yo no hice casi nada , tengo alguna textura y referencias;

 

Unidades ;(27)
 

Infantería ;(6)
(Reclutados en ;"cuarteles "y "centro urbano")
1.Lancero;-----------------------------------------------(...comati )
2.Escaramuzador;--------------------------------------( ...comati)

(Reclutados en ;"cuarteles")
1.Lancero;-----------------------------------------------( ...comati)
2.Escaramuzador;--------------------------------------( ...comati)
3.Espadachín(esdada Falx a dos manos);-----------(...comati )
4.Arquero ;-----------------------------------------------(...comati)
5.Hacha(un filo y escudo);-----------------------------(...comati )
6.Alabardero(lanza con punta Falx y escudo);------(...comati )

(Reclutados en ;"Galería de tiro")
2.Escaramuzador;--------------------------------------( ...comati)
4.Arquero ;-----------------------------------------------(...comati)

Infantería campeona;(3)
(Reclutados en ;" Cámara del tesoro")
7.Campeón Dacio (hacha doble filo a dos manos,pieles de lobo);-----( )
8.Aristócrata Dacio(venablos,casco ornamentado, armadura);---------( )
9.Drago carnyx (esdada Falx una mano);----------------------------------( )

(Reclutados en ;"cuarteles "y "Cámara del tesoro")
9.Drago carnyx (esdada Falx);-------------------------------( )

Infantería auxiliar ;(2)
(Reclutados en ;"Campamento Getae ")
10.Hondero auxiliar Getae ;------------------------------------( )
11.Espadachín auxiliar Getae(2 espadas sica);---------------( )

Caballería;(2)
(Reclutados en ;" establos")
12.Jinete lancero ;-----------------------------------------( )
13.jinete Escaramuzador ;--------------------------------( )

(Reclutados en ;" Establos "y "centro urbano")
12.Jinete Escaramuzador ;----------------------------------( )

Caballería de élite;(2)
(Reclutados en ;"Cámara del tesoro")
14. Jinete hacha campeón(dos filos) ;--------------------( )
15. Jinete escaramuzador campeón;----------------------( )

(Reclutados en ;" Establos "y "Cámara del tesoro")
15. Jinete escaramuzador campeón;--------------------( )

Caballería auxiliar (1)
(Reclutados en ;" Campamento Getae ")
16.jinete espadachín Getae;------------------------------( )

Civiles;(3)
(Reclutados en ;" centro urbano"y "casa")
17. Mujer;---------------------------------------------------( )
(Reclutados en ;"Mercado ")
18. Comerciante/a(carromato);---------------------------( )
(Reclutados en ;"Templo ")
19. Sacerdote/isa;-------------------------------------------( )

Armas de asedio;(2)
(Reclutados en ;" Taller de Asedio")
20.Ariete;------------------------------------( )
21.Balista/escorpión;----------------------( )

Navíos ;(2)
(Reclutados en ;" Puerto")
22.Balsa pesquera/o;---------------------------( )
23.Navío mercante ;----------------------------( )
24.Navío militar ;--------------------------------( )

Héroes ;(3)
(Reclutados en ;"Asamblea ")
25.Burebista;-----------------------------( ) 82-44 a.C(Fundó el imperio.)
26.Oroles;-------------------------------( )200 a.C (Detuvo invasiones de tribus extranjeras )
27.Rubobostes;--------------------------( ) 168 a.C (Expulsó y asimiló a celtas y otras etnias)

 

 

Lista reyes dacios Para "ia":
1.    -Oroles (200 a.C )
2.    -Rhemaxos (200 a.C-168 a.C)
3.    -Rubobostes (168 a.C )
4.    -Thiamarkos (100- a.C)
5.    -Guiltdacus (100-82 a.C)venció al celta Brenno.
6.    -Burebista (82-44 a.C) Emperador
7.    -Deceneus (61-45 a.C) sumo sacerdote cogobernante con Burebista
8.    -Commius (57 -22 a.C)   
9.    -Coson (44- a.C - 9 a.C)  
10.    -Comoiscus (44 a.C- 9 a.C  )
11.    -Cotiso (40 a.C- 9 a.C)   
12.    -Comosicus (9 a.C- 30 d.C) 

(No puse ningún rey Getae porque aún nadie me aclara 100% en si eran dacios , tracios , mestizos  ...)

 

 

Disculpen las molestias*

-Pero toda ayuda ,crítica ,sugerencia, corrección ...son bienvenidas y tomadas en cuenta. Para ver a las unidades dacias en el mod Endovélico,no hay fecha, porque tengo preferencia por hacer antes las unidades de otras facciones antes que las dacias , pero creo que viendo este interés , voy a adelantar su diseño.

 

 

Disculpen las molestias*

[Ultimate Aurelian]

On 23/03/2022 at 7:26 PM, Ultimate Aurelian said:

 

Round temple at Sarmizegetusa.

 

 

 

https://analelebanatului.ro/en/view-article/320/

Seems to be arguing for the temples being granaries, but does not seem to be consensus.

This other article was apparently refuting the granary theory.

https://analelebanatului.ro/en/view-article/289/

Edited yesterday at 22:45 by Ultimate Aurelian

[Ultimate Aurelian]

On 07/06/2021 at 5:04 PM, Genava55 said:

Thracians had siege weapons at least defensively, we have evidence of artillery fortification. Dacians, not at my knowledge (but I know much less their situation).

They seem to have acquired them from Romans (possibly built their own with Roman engineers).

https://penelope.uchicago.edu/thayer/e/roman/texts/cassius_dio/67*.html

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He graced the festival that followed with many exhibits appropriate to a triumph, though they came from no booty that he had captured; on the contrary, the truce had cost him something besides his losses, for he had given large sums of money to Decebalus on the spot as well as artisans of every trade pertaining to both peace and war, and had promised to keep on giving large sums in the future. The exhibits which he displayed really came from the store of imperial furniture, which he at all times treated as  p335 captured spoils, inasmuch as he had enslaved even the empire itself.

 

 https://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/68*.html#9.5

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Trajan seized some fortified mountains and on them found the arms and the capture engines, as well as the standard which had been taken in the time of Fuscus.  Decebalus, because of this, coupled with the fact that Maximus had at this same time captured his sister and also a strong position, was ready to agree without exception to every demand that had been made — not that he intended to abide by his agreement, but in order that he might secure a respite from his temporary reverses.  So he reluctantly engaged to surrender his arms, engines and engine-makers, to give back the deserters, to demolish the forts, to withdraw from captured territory, and furthermore to consider the same persons enemies and friends as the Romans did

Surviving evidence seems to point at bolt shooting light artillery rather than stone throwers.

Page 86: https://whc.unesco.org/document/204934

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A Roman technological innovation that appeared around the time of the Dacian wars was the metal-framed arrow shooter (ballista), first pictured on Trajan’s Column. Evidence from the Column and an archaeological find from the Dacian fortress of Costești indicate that the Dacians were quick to adopt war machines from the Romans as early as the end of the 1 st century CE.  Elements from a later form of ballista have also been unearthed in the fortifications north of the Danube, from between Drobeta and Pojejena, at Gornea and Orșova (now submerged). The latter location is particularly significant as it has yielded the only surviving piece of the front part of a ballista (known as the kamarion) from the Roman Empire to date. All current reconstructions of this type of arrow shooter are based on these archaeological discoveries

Edited 23 minutes ago by Ultimate Aurelian