borg- Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) I am opening this topic to discuss the cost of citizen units. My idea is to standardize the cost of the units. Citizen melee and ranged infantry cost: 50 food and 50 wood. Cavalry cost: Javelin cavalry: 100 food 50 wood Archer, sword and spear cavalry: 100 food 30 wood 20 food. The intention is to ensure that the infantry is on an equal footing across all factions. On maps where you only have access to a metal or stone mine, slingers or swordmans can be a problem in late game. Javelin cavalary is the cheapest cavalry, costing only food and wood. The additional cost of gold for the strongest cavalry. A ptolomeu camel spam rush becomes a little more difficult. Spear cavalry can easily take down other cavalry at the beginning of the game, mainly javelin cavalry, so now it would cost a little gold, which in theory improves balance. The intention is also that also about more metal and stone for the research of techs and also to facilitate the training of mercenaries and champions. I would like everyone's opinion. Tnx and have a good day!!! Edited March 13, 2021 by borg- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) I think the game has too much reliance on wood. What that means for cost adjustments I don't know. But I think historically the most important resource would have been food (and potable water). Edited March 13, 2021 by wowgetoffyourcellphone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Also, perhaps experiment with population costs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player of 0AD Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 I like the costs of non-mercenary citizens like they are, they have some variety. Mercenaries could be changed back like in A23 though, and ptolemies could swap skirmishers and slingers again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alar1k Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 For balance I think it it would be better to add small pockets of metal and stone mines across all maps because there is often a few large chunks of metal/stone and often times around the edges around the map that stay unmined untill the game ends because they are too far from the battlefield and "choke-points" slingers should still cost stone to stay realistic - only thing that would make a bit more sense is to make melee infantry cost 60 food and 40 metal, and ranged (javelins and archers) cost 40 food and 60 wood - the hp difference where spears/pikes have double than ranged, and also more wood is used for arrows and javelins than on one pike/spear so it seems more sensible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapjas Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alar1k said: slingers should still cost stone to stay realistic It's arguably not really realistic. They used stones they could find on the terrains and didnt need crafting. There were crafted clay bullets and metal bullets too, but stone was just picked up from the ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alar1k Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Just now, Grapjas said: It's arguably not really realistic. They used stones they could find on the terrains and didnt need crafting. There were crafted clay bullets and metal bullets too, but stone was just picked up from the ground. Good point, thanks, I stand corrected then in that case make them cost the same as any other ranged 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 Here's an alternate set of costs for discussion sake: Infantry Hoplite 60 food 50 wood Infantry Pikeman 60 food 50 wood Infantry Spear 60 food 40 wood Cavalry Spear 100 food 40 wood Infantry Sword 70 food 30 metal Cavalry Sword 110 food 30 metal Infantry Javelin & Archer 40 Food 60 Wood Cavalry Javelin & Archer 80 food 60 Wood Infantry Slinger 40 food 20 stone (weak slingers) or metal (strong slingers; Balearic, Rhodian) 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alar1k Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Here's an alternate set of costs for discussion sake: Infantry Hoplite 60 food 50 wood Infantry Pikeman 60 food 50 wood Infantry Spear 60 food 40 wood Cavalry Spear 100 food 40 wood Infantry Sword 70 food 30 metal Cavalry Sword 110 food 30 metal Infantry Javelin & Archer 40 Food 60 Wood Cavalry Javelin & Archer 80 food 60 Wood Infantry Slinger 40 food 20 stone (weak slingers) or metal (strong slingers; Balearic, Rhodian) I agree with this on everything accept the sword cost - maybe make it like 60 food 10 wood (10 wood for the shield) - same for cav - because 70 food for sword might make roman and iberian start a bit more food heavy early on and slow their eco production in first 3-4 minutes, if there is just one berrie spot and low hunt those civs would have a rougher time EDIT: I quite like the differentiation between weak and strong slinger cost - this would make it like weak and strong war elephants and make civs more diverse Edited March 13, 2021 by Alar1k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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