Gurken Khan Posted June 5, 2021 Report Share Posted June 5, 2021 51 minutes ago, Stan` said: I miss paired techs... What's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Stan` said: I miss paired techs... 3 hours ago, Gurken Khan said: What's that? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 Ah, that kinda thing. And it would help the game how? I have the feeling it might be interesting if it was made well, but that it could also easily just turn into a useless annoyance for players, forcing artificial choices on them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, Gurken Khan said: Ah, that kinda thing. And it would help the game how? I have the feeling it might be interesting if it was made well, but that it could also easily just turn into a useless annoyance for players, forcing artificial choices on them. Some people are game designers; other people are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 24 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Some people are game designers Undoubtedly. Maybe there's some around who could explain what the charm of paired techs is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 57 minutes ago, Gurken Khan said: Undoubtedly. Maybe there's some around who could explain what the charm of paired techs is. It allows the players more choice, not less. By including pairs of techs I can present players with double the amount of choice, where before it was not possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakfastBurrito_007 Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 (edited) As #1 A game consumer As #2 someone who has played many games with paired techs and without As #3 a guy who advocated for blacksmith to be generalized for a24 I feel like I can answer @Gurken Khan, just remember I am not a developer, rather an enthusiast. Paired techs are intended to introduce strategy to upgrade selection. I feel the a24 system is ok for armor, but perhaps it could be a bit more specific for the attack bonuses. For a player, the big charm is being able to tailor the upgrades for the army I am sending to my enemies, without spending a large excess of metal (that is needed to get all upgrades like people do in a24) and other resources that delay my attack and cause me to lack rams/champs/heros/mercs. I think adding unit specific upgrades available after the unit is fully upgraded could be an awesome addition to further distinguish the roles of different units and make the battle strategy more important as people get these upgrades, earlier I called them "unit-perks". Choosing a particular group of upgrades for my army means that I can have a military advantage I can choose as a player, which is an awesome dimension of strategy. Edited June 6, 2021 by BreakfastBurrito_007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakfastBurrito_007 Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 On 04/06/2021 at 12:18 PM, BreakfastBurrito_007 said: Summary of attack upgrades from blacksmith: P2+20% attack a big increase from p1 might make planned p2 attacks more fruitful, If we combine this with cost reduction for more specific attack upgrades, it will be risky to not get any of these upgrades during p2, especially if there are p2 champs around. skirmishers bows slingers short melee long melee P3 +30% attack skirmishers bows slingers short melee long melee P3-unit perks: designed to give a more specialized bonus to heighten the separate roles those units play (I am less sure about the melee ones- suggest pls) I know some of these could be more OP than others, maybe price could vary or effect values could change or maybe these could be available to different civs. slingers + some crush dmg (appropriate amount) archers + some accuracy skirmishers + some speed pike/lance + 1 range (longer pike) maybe also something else swords +1 speed mace +1 pierce armor + 1 m/s speed spear +1 to cavalry bonus multiplier (maybe also applies to spearcav?) axe (maybe repeat rate? idk) Ay @chrstgtr do you think some degree of individuality should be added back into blacksmith? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BreakfastBurrito_007 Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) I saw the 1,2,3 tiers of upgrades are available in the blacksmith. I think I like this change so far. Would it be good to correlate the tier 1,2,3 techs with phase 1,2,3 and make blacksmith available in p1? I feel this would be an interesting option to allow players to somewhat counter that booming=turtling situation that we have discussed a lot. If I remember correctly @ValihrAnt you came up with the third tier? what do you think? Edited June 19, 2021 by BreakfastBurrito_007 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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