Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)

[Ultimate Aurelian]

 

1 hour ago, Genava55 said:

You can find more information about them here: https://www.academia.edu/124853492/Meanwhile_in_the_North_Handmade_Pottery_beyond_the_Roman_Frontier

At least it explains why they are separated on this map. Although the Old Frisian is related to Old English and Old Saxon, this is maybe a feature happening during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages. Maybe it was not the case during the Iron Age. 

A sacrificial scene takes place in a fenced area right in front of the temple. The temple is the building on the right. The main building is seen on the left, and in the background, the palisade is under construction. Craftspeople are working in the area between the two buildings. In this case, the drawing is primarily based on our results from the 2025 excavation.

Is this part the palisade under construction? or is it something else?

[Duileoga]

1 hour ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

To further complicate things some sources apparently call them Irminones like the Suebi...maybe they work better as their own single civ in the end considering how it seems to defy classificaton.

-Al principio pensé en crear macro-grupos (Germanos escandinavos , germanos del Elba y germanos del Rin), pero por la dificultad de clasificar las tribus , decidí enfocarme en las tribus más importantes de cada región.

1 hour ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

Problem would be deciding on which one they fit.

-En todo caso , Cimbrios , Suevos y Queruscos coinciden en que fueron capaces de crear grandes confederaciones tribales , en grandes extensiones ,que desafiaron a Roma o la vencieron , lideradas por Boiorix,Ariovisto y Arminio respectivamente...

 

Diculpen las molestias*

[Genava55]

3 hours ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

Is this part the palisade under construction? or is it something else?

Ah sorry, I thought you said the enclosure outside the temple. 

The enclosure outside the settlement/village is the necropolis I think.

[Ultimate Aurelian]

On 08/09/2026 at 1:15 PM, Genava55 said:

You can find more information about them here: https://www.academia.edu/124853492/Meanwhile_in_the_North_Handmade_Pottery_beyond_the_Roman_Frontier

At least it explains why they are separated on this map. Although the Old Frisian is related to Old English and Old Saxon, this is maybe a feature happening during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages. Maybe it was not the case during the Iron Age. 

Perhaps theyre suggesting this hypothesis?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordwestblock

[Genava55]

16 hours ago, Ultimate Aurelian said:

Perhaps theyre suggesting this hypothesis?

In this case no, it is purely an archeological category. The Frisian pottery is unique to the region and cannot be grouped within the Rhine-Weser or the Elbe traditions. Frisian pottery has its own features and it is spanning a period from the 7th century BC to the 4th century AD. It is highly probable that the original Frisian people has been replaced culturally during the 3rd and 4th century AD. Probably by migrants from the Lower Elbe and Jutland. 

It is entirely possible that the earliest Frisians spoke an orphan language since it is naive to believe that we are aware of all the linguistic branches of the Indo-European family. It is very likely that some branches disappeared without leaving any traces or legacy. However, it is important to realize that the Nordwestblock theory has its critics. Many of the arguments in this theory are based on an overinterpretation of onomastics. Several experts have already pointed out that many examples presented as impossible to explain using Celtic or Germanic languages are highly debatable. Furthermore, other experts have pointed out that certain features presented as representing a unique substrate in this region are in fact found in other distant regions.

Furthermore, it is quite inconceivable to imagine a language that would serve as an intermediary between the Celtic and Germanic languages. The two language families likely diverged several thousand years ago, well before the Iron Age. The most likely scenario is simply an exchange of words, borrowings from one language to another. But that does not fundamentally alter the structure of the language. If it is a linguistic isolate, there is a good chance that it is a language derived from the Italo-Celtic languages.