Iberians Culture / Cultura Íberia

[Lion.Kanzen]

I will continue to translate what I am hearing on the podcast.

 

It is normal for it to be generic but there are always interesting facts and one did not know.

There is also talk of the Gibraltar monkeys, which seemed to be an exotic trade good in the lands of Tartessos.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_macaques_in_Gibraltar.

There is even talk of the trade of lead.

 

According to Dr Vidal, there were still macaques in the south of the peninsula.

Apparently the Tartessians had fleets, And with that they traded with the British Isles as I said before.

 

In Tartessos iron was already used in quite early times at the end of the Bronze Age.

In the case of Egypt, Israel, Assyria, the Tartessians were much more advanced than this sculpture, thanks to the use of metal much more as a weapon of warthanks to the predominance of this material.

It says that from the 16th century western culture began to investigate a little more classical Greek and Latin sources on the culture of Tartessos.

In the culture of tartessos it was an illustrious culture of iberia that received its name from the river of the same name. River that today is called Guadalquivir, But that his classic name is Betis.

 then try to describe, the image that I am going to put next that apparently this was in the classic texts.

 

This image is from the 16th century.

 

According to Dr. Vidal, Tartessos was more than a simple kingdom and its influence was much greater than the empires of his time and it was probably the first western empire.

 

From Murcia to Huelva. And that he controlled various kingdoms.

So   discovery of Troy in the late 19th early 20th century, it drove many enthusiasts into an archeology fever, trying to find lost cities.

 

By the way, many things that Vidal talks about are also found in this natgeo article in Spanish.

https://historia.nationalgeographic.com.es/a/tartessos-busca-reino-perdido_6233

Adolf Schulten, a great promoter of the research at the Numancia site, from where he came out at odds with the Spanish cultural authorities. 

The only thing he managed to find was fishing villages from Roman times.

Adolfo came to the conclusion after his failure that Tartessos was a legend that did not exist.

 

Starting in 1942, a Spanish professor after discoveries of the Neolithic era began again to search for the city of Tartessos.

 

Edited March 10, 2021 by Lion.Kanzen

[av93]

16 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

 

 

This is a depiction from Atlantis

I won't take anything from Cesar Vidal as serious source

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/César_Vidal#Sobre_sus_titulaciones_académicas

Edited March 10, 2021 by av93

[Lion.Kanzen]

2 minutes ago, av93 said:

This is a depiction from Atlantis

I won't take anything from Cesar Vidal as serious source

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/César_Vidal#Sobre_sus_titulaciones_académicas

I have known him for a year that I have read several of his books and I am very convinced that he is a very good historian, he has many political enemies for reasons that he has a program called, politically persecuted in fact he is exiled.

 

 

 

 

[av93]

I suppose that owing 3.2 million euros to tax authorities is a good reason to go away from your country.

He's only a lawyer, he says that my language, catalan, it's a dialect, far from reality, and he doesn't believe in evolution theory.

From actual sources of historians, I can recommend:

https://www.uam.es/FyL/AyR-ArticulosOnline/1446787203818.htm?language=es&nodepath=Art?culos On-line

[Lion.Kanzen]

1 hour ago, av93 said:

I suppose that owing 3.2 million euros to tax authorities is a good reason to go away from your country.

He's only a lawyer, he says that my language, catalan, it's a dialect, far from reality, and he doesn't believe in evolution theory.

From actual sources of historians, I can recommend:

https://www.uam.es/FyL/AyR-ArticulosOnline/1446787203818.htm?language=es&nodepath=Art?culos On-line

Escuchar lo que dice los catalanes y es muy gracioso. Jajaja. 

 

Not everyone has to think like you, but there we would all be doing feminists as long as you stayed. In another post Another day I was talking to this girl, the western world is falling apart.

 

and only by analyzing Spain and Argentina do you realize how miserable some countries are, as a drop so low being once a power obtaining very powerful economies.

 

But again we are off topic.

 

Good luck with Spain you will need it.

I remember that a councilwoman was happy saying that nature was wise about the coronavirus that is killing the elderly because the part of the Darwinian theory.

That Spain now.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 10, 2021 by Lion.Kanzen

[av93]

What it's funny about? It's pretty sad, but this is another topic

 

Anyways, my point was that an historian holding against Darwinist theory have to be taken with a pinch of salt: I don't understand what this politician have to do with the debate. On the other side, this politician doesn't represent what most people think in Spain.

I enjoy reading other social scientists with other political views that have a fact based research, but Cesar Vidal probably won't pass a peer to peer review. I repeat, he hasn't an official degree, and he says that he was proffesor on a private Christian University that is not allowed to grant full degrees. 

There will be ever biased views on social sciences (even in natural ones) but this is trend of "historians" that sees Spanish before Spain was articulated and builds his views on cultural essentialism I think that there're not the best sources to search references. I can be wrong of course

[Lion.Kanzen]

5 hours ago, av93 said:

Anyways, my point was that an historian holding against Darwinist theory have to be taken with a pinch of salt: I don't understand what this politician have to do with the debate. On the other side, this politician doesn't represent what most people think in Spain

in the first place his religious questions are far apart from the subjects he touches on.

 

If you ask me what you are trying to tell me, I would answer that you are telling me fallacies, because you are saying that, if someone has a religious belief,It does not mean that you cannot give your opinion in terms of history, Second what he is telling us and very basic. you are also questioning those sources.

 

Third, science is not a dogma, science is open to question, it is not a religious belief.

 

for example, I do not believe in climate change because obviously you can see that you are a scam that changes it as the predictions fail.

 

If you are going to discredit someone because of a matter of personal opinion that I tell you that you are very bad of you because he himself spoke very badly of my country and I do not get angry because I know that it is the truth, Because I prefer to be treated in a bad way by my culture, than to be treated with nice words and do things to me that are not the truth.

 

I have been able to verify that many things he says about Spain are true, Your country is on a path that Venezuela has already traveled, that Argentina is traveling and that many countries are going to travel.

 

Fifth this, that everything they say about Spain is true, they are an international joke.

 

I can give you all the examples from different sources of what I am saying.

 

I have an I have an academic, university training that allowed me to specialize in communication for advertising, always I consult more than 3 sources.

Darwinian theory has a consensus.

 

Which means that not everyone agreed when it came to consensus. Very different from eg. Newton's theory which is easily probable or observation.

 

If you question my positions, I will end up questioning your.

 

We are talking about non-natural social sciences.

 

I advise you that your prejudices do not close your mind.

[finistratbob]

Spain is a fusion center of Iberian and Celtic culture. I can say a hundred historians cannot name the exact points or reasons for the mixing of these cultures. Historians use the term trade assimilation. I recently read the book Queer Iberia and I can say that these people had similarities with the people of the Caucasus. The first historical reports were about the Iberians of the Caucasus. I found several modern reports  https://edusson.com/write-my-book-report on this site. The Iberians of the Caucasus did not exist. It was a different people who knew how to process copper, but not so jewelry. The real Iberians assimilated with the Greeks and European peoples. Archaeologists find Iberian relics in central and western Europe.

Edited July 22, 2021 by finistratbob

[Lion.Kanzen]

On 12/07/2021 at 4:35 AM, finistratbob said:

The real Iberians assimilated with the Greeks and European peoples. Archaeologists find Iberian relics in central and western Europe.

Kind similar to Romans right?

[TKogumelos]

(Sorry my English is so poor) I bring some information about the weaponry:

Celtiberian weaponry evolution:

Quickly summary about Celtiberian and Lusitanian weaponry:

https://celtiberiahistorica.es/en/celtiberia/celtiberians-and-war

Iberian weaponry evolution:

Archeological distribution of falcata swords:

Quickly summary about Iberian weaponry through the Braganza brooch:

https://www.academia.edu/732699/_The_Braganza_brooch_warrior_and_his_Weapons_the_Peninsular_context_

A very short summary about the different tribes of the peninsula:

https://www.uam.es/FyL/documento/1446794608623/Quesada-2015-Iberians-as-enemies.pdf

Classic sources:

http://exploringcelticciv.web.unc.edu/diodorus-siculus-library-of-history/

Edited October 30, 2021 by TKogumelos

[TKogumelos]

16 hours ago, TKogumelos said:

(Sorry my English is so poor) I bring some information about the weaponry:

Celtiberian weaponry evolution:

Quickly summary about Celtiberian and Lusitanian weaponry:

https://celtiberiahistorica.es/en/celtiberia/celtiberians-and-war

Iberian weaponry evolution:

Archeological distribution of falcata swords:

Quickly summary about Iberian weaponry through the Braganza brooch:

https://www.academia.edu/732699/_The_Braganza_brooch_warrior_and_his_Weapons_the_Peninsular_context_

A very short summary about the different tribes of the peninsula:

https://www.uam.es/FyL/documento/1446794608623/Quesada-2015-Iberians-as-enemies.pdf

Classic sources:

http://exploringcelticciv.web.unc.edu/diodorus-siculus-library-of-history/

I hope all of this will help in the future.