===[TASK]===[VOICES]=== Voices - Latin

[Itms]

Hello!

This is what I did, with a friend for female voices, for Latin sentences. The sentences can be found here: http://www.wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18631, don't hesitate to correct things on my translation...

Enjoy it, and please give me some feedback!

Update (20/05)

Male voices here

Female voices here

Thanks,

Itms

[Lion.Kanzen]

Can be sticky the post for a while.

[nylki]

the pronounciation sounds correct to me (studied Latin with proper classical pronounciation). I am not sure about ave though (in your male sounds).

I think it should be slightly more like ah veh instead of ah vee. Not entirely sure though.

I must say, the female voices sound really nice. I like the intensity of the attack voice. However the fight voice in comparison is a bit too weak and fast in my opinion.

Edited May 15, 2014 by nylki

[Itms]

nylki: I agree with you for the 'fight' voice. About the ave, I actually pronounced it ah-veh but I listened again and it's not perfectly clear. So I should try to record these two phrases again.

Thanks for your feedback!

[RoekeloosNL]

I like it thats all i have to say.. Keep up the good work.

[Mythos_Ruler]

Didn't the V have a W sound back then?

The voices sound nice! One thing I would encourage is to add a little more 'drama' to them. Drama is one thing our game lacks at the moment. Some sounds (like "Yes Lord?") should be enunciated as a question, for example.

[Itms]

Yes it did, I was just answering nylki about the eh/ee problem but the pronunciation in the recordings is rightly W.

To get a precise idea, is the intonation of 'my lord' right for the male voice? I agree it lacks 'drama' on the female one.

[Gallaecio]

Great job!

[Flavius Aetius]

Can't listen to the voices so not criticizing you guys here, but here is proper Latin pronunciation in "Classical Latin" according to my Latin Teacher with a PHD in Roman culture.

v - pronounced like a w (So Flavius is pronunced Flawius)

a - pronounced like "ah"

e - pronounced like the Fonz ("Eh!")

ae - pronounced like the word "I"

u - pronnounced like a double O (So Flawioos)

i - pronounced like the long way (like the word "I")

ii - pronounced like the letter E (So Gladii is Glad-eey-eey)

c - pronounced like a K

o - pronounced normally, just depends on the letter usage

y - pronounced like in the word "I" "So Lekythos is Lek - aye - thos)

Edited May 19, 2014 by Flavius Aetius

[serveurix]

Can't listen to the voices so not criticizing you guys here, but here is proper Latin pronunciation in "Classical Latin" according to my Latin Teacher with a PHD in Roman culture.

v - pronounced like a w (So Flavius is pronunced Flawius)

a - pronounced like "ah"

e - pronounced like the Fonz ("Eh!")

ae - pronounced like the word "I"

u - pronnounced like a double O (So Flawioos)

i - pronounced like the long way (like the word "I")

ii - pronounced like the letter E (So Gladii is Glad-eey-eey)

c - pronounced like a K

o - pronounced normally, just depends on the letter usage

y - pronounced like in the word "I" "So Lekythos is Lek - aye - thos)

My latin teacher pronounced the same way, except "ae" (pronounced like e - "Eh!") and "i" and "y" (pronounced like the letter "E" in English).

Edited May 19, 2014 by serveurix

[Itms]

Can't listen to the voices so not criticizing you guys here, but here is proper Latin pronunciation in "Classical Latin" according to my Latin Teacher with a PHD in Roman culture.

v - pronounced like a w (So Flavius is pronunced Flawius)

a - pronounced like "ah"

e - pronounced like the Fonz ("Eh!")

ae - pronounced like the word "I"

u - pronnounced like a double O (So Flawioos)

i - pronounced like the long way (like the word "I")

ii - pronounced like the letter E (So Gladii is Glad-eey-eey)

c - pronounced like a K

o - pronounced normally, just depends on the letter usage

y - pronounced like in the word "I" "So Lekythos is Lek - aye - thos)

Thanks Flavius!

I use this pronunciation, so no problem!

I just disagree for 'y', because it's a letter that doesn't exist in Latin. Many Latin words taken for Greek have a 'y', therefore they are pronounced like the French 'u' (this sound doesn't exist in English, if I'm not mistaken). This is not a problem because there is no 'y' in the recorded voices

[GunChleoc]

I'm no Latin expert, but 2 thing struck me here:

Wouldn't it make sense that "ae" is an diphthong?

The English pronunciation of the letters "i" an "e" are an aberration, because of the great vowel shift some centuries ago. Better pronounce them as in any Romance language I guess, as and [e].

Edited May 20, 2014 by GunChleoc

[Lion.Kanzen]

I'm no Latin expert, but 2 thing struck me here:

Wouldn't it make sense that "ae" is an diphthong?

The English pronunciation of the letters "i" an "e" are an aberration, because of the great vowel shift some centuries ago. Better pronounce them as in any Romance language I guess, as and [e].

not example Caesar is pronounces Kaesar

[Itms]

I'm no Latin expert, but 2 thing struck me here:

Wouldn't it make sense that "ae" is an diphthong?

The English pronunciation of the letters "i" an "e" are an aberration, because of the great vowel shift some centuries ago. Better pronounce them as in any Romance language I guess, as and [e].

Yes you're right, and being French I don't have this vowel problem

But Flavius had to use English words to explain what sounds he talked about. Can you confirm the recorded voices sound good to you?

EDIT: sorry, actually I dońt agree at all with Flavius on 'i', because I made a mistake in my English pronunciation!

And about 'ae' linguists tend to think it was actually not a dipthong.

Edited May 20, 2014 by Itms

[Flavius Aetius]

It is pronounced like the word "I". The reason it's pronounced like an "I" and not like an "eh" or "ee" is because the latter two pronunciations are a result of arabic turkish influence, through modifications of letters like the diaresis.

E.g. Aetius should be "Aye-tee-oos", not "Ee-tee-oos" or "Eh-tee-oos" because the Diaresis often put over the E in Aetius' name did not exist until the 11th century AD. (Although the pronunciation is also debatable because it is Latinized Greek [Aetios -> Aetius])

As for the letter Y, I think that in the Latin words that used a Y (can't think of any off the top of my head) its pronunciation was based on context.

And yes, the German "Kaisar" is the correct way to pronounce "Caesar"

Edited May 20, 2014 by Flavius Aetius

[Itms]

Flavius: I think everyone here (at least me, you and GunCheloc) agrees on the pronunciation. However, some vowel sounds do not correspond to anything existing in English, due to the shift. This is the reason why 'ae', pronounced [ae], is very close to 'I' [aǝ].

To solve this Babel problem, I suggest you make remarks directly about the recordings, so I have a precise idea of possible mistakes!

And by the way, I just updated the voices in the first post.

[Flavius Aetius]

Will check it out tonight.

[GunChleoc]

They sound good to me, but as I said, I don't speak Latin. It does fit with what I know about Romance languages though.

Maybe you could slow down "fight" a bit, it is very fast.

Edited May 20, 2014 by GunChleoc

[Lion.Kanzen]

I do a Alternate one you know.

https://soundcloud.com/marcio-duron/attack2

Edited May 20, 2014 by Lion.Kanzen

[Flavius Aetius]

Roman Drill Commands:

http://www.ludusmilitis.org/articles/LM_Tactica_May_2010.pdf

These are based on a number of known commands form various texts ranging from Caesar's Gallic Wars to the Strategikon of Maurikos.

[Pureon]

Committed latin male voice files in http://trac.wildfiregames.com/changeset/15435/

Note: This doesn't mean we'll have any languages other than Ancient Greek in 0 A.D. (Part 1) - that decision hasn't changed afaik.

[Pureon]

Itms, would you mind doing the Legal Waiver here:

http://www.wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16802

Thanks

[ShadowsFate]

Salvete, Omnes; 

My name is ShadowsFate - I am here under orders of the main developer in regards to offering my services as a professional voice actor for the project.