Germanic faction(s)

[Lion.Kanzen]

Huns minor? They are the tribe to do those tribes suddenly shock with Romans, destroyed Gupta Empire and Kushans in India and Afghanistan.

The highly priority is Rome and first conflicts against Parthia, later came go Germans with Cimbri and Teutons.

Later the Franks and Dacia. But the Huns need whole new gameplay. The Besieger and raze gameplay, consistent in mobile structures ,like AOE 3 and Terran Starcfraft, they move buildings and try to settle in rich land with good food.

[GunChleoc]

The Huns came from the steppes beyond Russia. They are not a Germanic tribe, even if some English speakers use "Huns" as a (not so nice?) nickname for Germans now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

BTW the modern Suebes have their own Wikipedia http://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwaben

The sources I am citing are all in German.

Alemannic

I have done some research on the language: http://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altalemannisch

We have written samples from the Monastery in St. Gallen http://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fürstabtei_St._Gallen

Writings date from 800 onwards.

It seems that the Alemannic were a mixture of Germanic peoples, and there were some Roman and Celtic influences on their language. Also, they might have formed just a wee bit later than our time period (AFAIK in the 3^rd century BC), so we should look into the Suebes and see what we can find.


Suebic

This is the modern language: http://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwäbisch and http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwäbischer_Dialekt

And they cite a source for the etymology: Hermann Wax: Etymologie des Schwäbischen. Geschichte von mehr als 4.500 schwäbischen Wörtern. 2. erw. Auflage. Ulm 2005, ISBN 3-9809955-1-8

Most consider imodern Suebic a dialect of Alemannic

Dictionary soruces: http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Wörterbücher#Schw.C3.A4bisch - this one might be useful: http://archive.org/details/schwbischesw00schmuoft

About the old Suebi: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sueben

And an English-language source about the Germans: Translation of The Geography of Claudius Ptolemy

Edited October 13, 2013 by GunChleoc

[Andrettin]

From the description of the Seaxman unit of the Civilization V Fall of Rome scenario:

The seax is a large knife or short, curved sword with a notched blade and favored by many warriors of Celtic and Frankish tribes. Equally useful as both a tool and a weapon, the seax was particularly effective in close-range, melee combat. Over the decades of the barbarian migrations, various versions were developed, including the schmalsax (narrow seax) and the breitsax (broad seax) as well as long and short versions of each. In the epic poem Beowulf, the hero uses a seax to chop apart a dragon and Grendel's mother uses one when fighting Beowulf.

[greycat]

Goths crush Rome's legions 378

Edited October 13, 2013 by greycat

[greycat]

The Franks were a confederation of Germanic tribes occupying land in the Lower and Middle Rhine in the 3rd Century. Some Franks raided Roman territory, while other Frank tribes joined the Roman troops in what was called Gaul, and is currently France.

Edited October 13, 2013 by greycat

[Mythos_Ruler]

I was thinking 3 main Germanic factions.

• Alemanni/Suebi
• Franks
• Goths

[greycat]

I was thinking 3 main Germanic factions.

• Alemanni/Suebi
• Franks
• Goths

Sounds good.

What do you think about Belgae?

(Belgae) Gallo-Germanic tribes

Tacitus also records that the Nervii and Treveri were also eager to claim

Germanic rather than Gaulish origin.

The Belgae were a group of Gallo-Germanic tribes living in northern Gaul,

between the English channel and the west bank of the Rhine, from at least

the 3rd century BC. They were later found also in Britain, and possibly

even Ireland. The Belgae gave their name to the Roman province of Gallia

Belgica, and very much later, to the modern country of Belgium.

Caesar claims that most of the Belgae were descended from tribes who

had long ago crossed the Rhine from Germania. However most of the

tribal and personal names recorded are identifiably Celtic. It is also said

that the Belgae were descendants of Trebata, the legendary founder of

Trier (oldest German city in south-west Germany). The city of Trier was

founded by the Assyrians around 2000 BC, lead by Trebeta, the son of the

great Assyrian King Ninus.

The Remi were the most prominent tribe of the Belgae and their capital,

Durocortum (modern Reims in France), became the capital of the Roman

province of Gallia Belgica.

To these men death in battle is glorious,

And they consider it a crime to bury the body of such a warrior;

For they believe that the soul goes up to the gods in heaven,

If the body is exposed on the field to be devoured by the birds of prey’.

(Silius Italicus (2nd c. AD) Punica 3 340-343)

[Andrettin]

I was thinking 3 main Germanic factions.

• Alemanni/Suebi
• Franks
• Goths

You mean having those like the Hellenes have Athenian and etc. faction profiles? Sounds pretty good.

[Mythos_Ruler]

You mean having those like the Hellenes have Athenian and etc. faction profiles? Sounds pretty good.

Yeah, like the Athenians, Spartans, Macedonians.

[Lion.Kanzen]

The Dugunthiz (the "Trusted" or "Capable" ones) is a unit of proud and experienced, "proven" warriors steeled by years of constant warfare and veterans of numerous conflicts, mostly tribal, but some of a larger scale. These men are hardened for battle and unlikely to flee from conflict, and are trained through long experience to work in close or open formation, and even the shield wall.
The early Dugunthiz is armed with a various selection of spears and javelins most would have a metal spear heads but a few bone spearheads are also still used.
The sub-rectangular shield like the ones found at Hjortspring is the Dugunthiz only way of defense.
Historically, the Jugunthiz (Youth) formed the front line of battle in order to act as a screen, taking losses to increase the odds of survival for more valuable "proven" warriors (Dugunthiz) who stood just behind. The Dugunthiz formed the bulk of any Germanic force and were very versatile warriors. They were renowned for their courage in melee combat and have earned their place through consummate skill with their well accustomed gaizaz (spear). Their weapon is a mark of freedom and honor, the gaizaz has a narrow and short head, so sharp and easy to wield that the same weapon served, depending on the circumstances, for both close quarter and long range combat.

I found this... Interesting not?
Source.
http://www.deviantart.com/morelikethis/artists/303725547

[Lion.Kanzen]

Sakutones/Skeudjonez(Sweboz long bow infantry)

The Germanic archer infantry is a lightly armed skirmisher troop type whose sole purpose is to harass, wound and possibly kill enemy warriors from a safe distance.
This unit is only armed with a long bow made of yew + a selection of arrows which were mostly bone/antler arrow heads but also some with fire-hardened arrow heads and simple broad headed iron arrow heads. These arrows would be carried around and protected by a simple arrow quiver made of wood, birch bark or leather. The Germanic archer only close combat weapon is a low quality hunting knife.
This unit type represents the lowest strata of the Sweboz society and because they are not full members of the tribe they are not allowed to use a shield and spear which where the symbols of a free men in early Germanic society.

His low status is also reflected in the simple clothings this unit wears.
This unit is only really effective as a skirmish unit and maybe to chase routing enemy warriors.
Historically, the Germanics only started to use archer in significant numbers during the latter part of the Roman Iron age but there is some evidence that Germanic tribes sometimes used bow and arrow as a weapon of war and not only for hunting.
For example the Vædebro weapons sacrifice in Denmark feature a broken arrow shaft among the more standard weapons found at that site.


Gaisofluxo Frijot, are infact the most common troop type of the Sweboz.
They are the freeman backbone of the Sweboz tribal groups.
Only armed with simple simple bone and/or iron tipped spearheads and only protected by a simple wooden or wicker shield this unit is not very well equipped but what they lack in equipment they make up in experience and eagerness.
Though lacking in the organized training of the war bands that serve in a more regular capacity, these men are veterans of the ritualized tribal warfare within the amalgamation of German tribes, and fight with a force and fury superior to their neighbors militia.

This may be the last elite militia level for 0ad.

Edited October 13, 2013 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

Germanic Faction Document.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v98abwbY1bRMR4AOpM3yTAbWLcPj676B5JdoQsHk77w/edit?usp=sharing

Mix early Faction (Suebi with Later Alemanni)

[newcivs]

Ancient Germanic Warrior (Suebi or Cherusci?):

Ancient Germanic Light Cavalry:

Slinger:

Javelinman:

Spearmen:

I Do a remaxe of your units using 0AD's Celtic Units, the Units for 0AD Germanic faction!

[newcivs]

I was thinking 3 main Germanic factions.

• Alemanni/Suebi
• Franks
• Goths

Can we put an ancient germanic faction????, example Cherusci or Sweben??

[Lion.Kanzen]

use Spoiler feature please.

you can mod if use a Gimp or Photoshop.

only change textures. simply and be patient, we aren't finish with First part. we don't finish Ptolemies and we even don't start with Seleucid.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Lion.Kanzen

[newcivs]

If we fit all these tribes into 0AD, there would be no space for other factions anymore. All we need to do was to identify what Germanic tribe have the most impact to Rome and how powerful a Germanic Tribe that could change the fate of the known world and also do not stray too far from 0AD time line.

i have an idea, put as the romans, first the "old" faction, roman republic, or in this case Cheruschi, the Arminious tribe, he liberated germania of rome!

after, when imperial rome is released we liberate other germanic faction, "medium germans", we put Marcomanni tribe, in fact, during this time the germanics tribes were stronger, and were trying to biuld their "empires", after, when late rome is released,and Bizantines released, we liberate a new germanic faction "old germans" Goths or Franks

[newcivs]

excuseme that the sources are in spanish, but these videos resolves our troubles for the faction!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCp-eB3gvog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqVdTZhWbAE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctLsjhdfRi0

[Lion.Kanzen]

Ok guys step by step we need

A map, a flag emblem and shield emblem ( valnut can be work for this)

See the document that I make.

We have a infantry.

Spearman

Archer

Skirmisher

...

Cavalry

Siege

And forbidden class.

Second structures. Specials and wonder.

[newcivs]

use Spoiler feature please.

you can mod if use a Gimp or Photoshop.

only change textures. simply and be patient, we aren't finish with First part. we don't finish Ptolemies and we even don't start with Seleucid.

Ok, i gonna modify it, and publish it oh a tar.gz file!

[Mega Mania]

Here's a website that could help: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2995/2995.txt

Edited October 14, 2013 by Mega Mania

[Mega Mania]

I have some doubts on Germanic warships especially on medium class warship, perhaps we should give the Germanic people some sort of boat instead of warship?

[Mega Mania]

Sounds good.

What do you think about Belgae?

(Belgae) Gallo-Germanic tribes

Tacitus also records that the Nervii and Treveri were also eager to claim

Germanic rather than Gaulish origin.

The Belgae were a group of Gallo-Germanic tribes living in northern Gaul,

between the English channel and the west bank of the Rhine, from at least

the 3rd century BC. They were later found also in Britain, and possibly

even Ireland. The Belgae gave their name to the Roman province of Gallia

Belgica, and very much later, to the modern country of Belgium.

Caesar claims that most of the Belgae were descended from tribes who

had long ago crossed the Rhine from Germania. However most of the

tribal and personal names recorded are identifiably Celtic. It is also said

that the Belgae were descendants of Trebata, the legendary founder of

Trier (oldest German city in south-west Germany). The city of Trier was

founded by the Assyrians around 2000 BC, lead by Trebeta, the son of the

great Assyrian King Ninus.

The Remi were the most prominent tribe of the Belgae and their capital,

Durocortum (modern Reims in France), became the capital of the Roman

province of Gallia Belgica.

To these men death in battle is glorious,

And they consider it a crime to bury the body of such a warrior;

For they believe that the soul goes up to the gods in heaven,

If the body is exposed on the field to be devoured by the birds of prey’.

(Silius Italicus (2nd c. AD) Punica 3 340-343)

Well, do we need that?

Some claims by the Romans sounds absurd.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Mega Mania

[newcivs]

Ok guys step by step we need

A map, a flag emblem and shield emblem ( valnut can be work for this)

See the document that I make.

We have a infantry.

Spearman

Archer

Skirmisher

...

Cavalry

Siege

And forbidden class.

Second structures. Specials and wonder.

On the special i din't have idea, but in the wonder we can put the megalith that i put on the temple!

[Lion.Kanzen]

We need Mix Units into a large.

example we Mix Suebi and Alemanni Tribes in all one, you can do this with Frisi and Franks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frisians

The Frisii were an ancient Germanic tribe living in the low-lying region between the Zuiderzee and the River Ems. In the Germanic pre-Migration Period(i.e., before c. 300 AD) the Frisii and the related Chauci, Saxons, and Angles inhabited the Continental European coast from the Zuyder Zee to southJutland.^[1] All of these peoples shared a common material culture, and so cannot be defined archaeologically.^[2]

The Frisii were bordered on the south by Germans who would later coalesce into the Frankish confederation in the 3rd century. On the east they were bordered by the Ampsivarii who lived at the mouth of the Ems until AD 58,^[3][4] at which time the Chauci expelled them and gained a border with the Frisii.

The Chauci and other tribes to the east would merge to form the Saxons in the 3rd century. Some or all of the Frisii may have joined in either or both of these confederations, but they would retain a separate identity in Roman eyes until at least 296, when they were forcibly resettled as laeti ^[5] (i.e., Roman-era serfs) and thereafter disappear from recorded history. Their tentative existence in the 4th century is confirmed by archaeological discovery of a type of earthenware unique to 4th-century Frisia, called terp Tritzum, showing that an unknown number of Frisii were resettled in Flanders and Kent,^[6]likely as laeti under the aforementioned Roman coercion.

[Lion.Kanzen]

The Other can be

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jutland

Saxons mix Cimbri

and the Franks:

The name "Franci" was originally socio-political. To the Romans, Celts and Suebi the Franks must have seemed alike: they looked the same and spoke the same language, so that Franci became the name by which the people were known and within a few centuries it had eclipsed the names of the original tribes though the older names have survived in some place-names such as, Hesse which originates from the Chatti tribe.

The Frisii were bordered on the south by Germans who would later coalesce into the Frankish confederation in the 3rd century. On the east they were bordered by the Ampsivarii who lived at the mouth of the Ems until AD 58,^[3][4] at which time the Chauci expelled them and gained a border with the Frisii.

The Chauci and other tribes to the east would merge to form the Saxons in the 3rd century. Some or all of the Frisii may have joined in either or both of these confederations, but they would retain a separate identity in Roman eyes until at least 296, when they were forcibly resettled as laeti ^[5] (i.e., Roman-era serfs) and thereafter disappear from recorded history. Their tentative existence in the 4th century is confirmed by archaeological discovery of a type of earthenware unique to 4th-century Frisia, called terp Tritzum, showing that an unknown number of Frisii were resettled in Flanders and Kent,^[6]likely as laeti under the aforementioned Roman coercion.

The lands of the Frisii were abandoned by c. 400 due to flooding caused by a marine transgression and lay empty for a century, when changing environmental conditions again made the region habitable. At that time, settlers repopulated the region and came to be known as 'Frisians'. Medieval and later accounts of 'Frisians' refer to these 'new Frisians' rather than to the ancient Frisii.

In his Germania Tacitus would describe all the Germanic peoples of the region as having elected kings with limited powers and influential military leaders who led by example rather than by authority. The people lived in spread-out settlements.^[12] He specifically noted the weakness of Germanic political hierarchies in reference to the Frisii, when he mentioned the names of two kings of the 1st century Frisii and added that they were kings "as far as the Germans are under kings".^[13]

Early Roman accounts of war and raiding do not mention the Frisii as participants, though the neighboring Canninefates (to the west and southwest) and Chauci (to the east) are named in that regard. The earliest mention of the Frisii tells of Drusus' 12 BC war against the Rhine Germans and the Chauci. The Romans did not attack them after devastating the lands of the Rhine Germans, but merely passed through their territory and along their coast in order to attack the Chauci. The account says that the Frisii were "won over", suggesting a Roman suzerainty was imposed.^[14]

Over the course of time the Frisii would provide Roman auxiliaries through treaty obligations, but the tribe would also appear in its own right in concert with other Germanic tribes, opposing the Romans. Accounts of wars therefore mention the Frisii on both sides of the conflict, though the actions of troops under treaty obligation were separate from the policies of the tribe.

Edited October 14, 2013 by Lion.Kanzen