greenknight32 Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 (edited) My first game with in alpha 11, played Acropolis 01 vs Aegis Bot - first scenario listed, and it sounded like a challenge, Gauls vs Persians with the new improved AI. It was not a challenge, it was way too easy.I avoided combat with the Persians to to give me as much time to build up as possible. They never did attack; when I had 3 cities with max population and max tech I attacked and crushed them easily with my horde of troops and battering rams. Total slaughter.I tried the same with qBot, barely held off their early attack. Tried again with Aegis Bot, but provoked them into attacking earlier - found they're quite nasty when they get going. They sent a sneak attack at the farms on the far side of my territory, surprisingly good stategy for AI. I'm impressed. Looks like it could easily get too difficult if it was very aggressive - but the way it is now, just set all your troops to a passive stance and you don't have to worry about defense until you're ready to go to war.To confirm it works on other scenarios, tried it on Azure Coast 2. Works the same there. If one of your men so much as throws a spesr at a house, you get attacked - but keep them all passive and all is peace. Edited September 15, 2012 by greenknight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luziferius Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 thats a nice thing that could be preserved for a defensive bot^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pureon Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Thanks for the report. I'll take a look and see if I can replicate.One question I do have for you, how developed was Aegis bot's base? Unfortunately there are occasions where the AIs get stuck, and very little happens after that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenknight32 Posted September 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Well-developed base, large population, but they didn't explore even half the map. Same in the Azure Coast game, not exploring widely.I'll try replaying the Acropolis 01 game from from my last save, give you a more precise report on their base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraitii Posted September 15, 2012 Report Share Posted September 15, 2012 Acropolis could trigger some pathfinding issues because of the Acropolis setting. The AI isn't quite adapted to such situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenknight32 Posted September 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Seems they did get stuck - at 35:48 they had 173 units, 27 buildings, 1 civ. center, had explored 41%..At 48:47 fighting broke out, so I stopped and checked their progress - those numbers hadn't changed except they'd explored 50%.I'm sure they had more than that in the original run-through when my army arrived, but they could have built quite a bit after the first fighting occurred - I started by putting warships in the river to stop them from crossing to gather resources, these destroyed a mill as well as killing the gatherers. It was several minutes before I sent the first wave in.@ wraitii - I'm getting similar results on the Azure Coast map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MishFTW Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Time to exploit the AI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenknight32 Posted September 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 It's very easy to exploit, if it works consistently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MishFTW Posted September 16, 2012 Report Share Posted September 16, 2012 Mission accomplished. Gallic noble cavalry are quite effective, when you have 200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwf Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 imho, the AI's biggest weakness is that once they start attacking a building they will not stop.So it makes it easy for a group of 4 or 5 soldiers to take out any number of attackers, since they continue to attck the building, even when being shot by someone else. I would recommend that any unit automatically return fire. It is wrong how easy it is to defend against them!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MishFTW Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 I would recommend that any unit automatically return fire. It is wrong how easy it is to defend against them!!I can see a scenario where my units at low health are being attacked while attacking a fort. The fort has like 10 HP and my soldiers can survive two more shots. If they abandon the building and walk towards the enemy, they'll die. I don't want to have to micro manage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenknight32 Posted September 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Turns out they hadn't built as much as I thought. Running through it again, found they quickly built another civ center when I destroyed the first one. Destroying 1 mill with ships didn't start them building, when my land forces destroyed their only other mill, they started building and completed one before I got to their main complex.At that time, all they had was 1 civ center, 1 Persian Palace, 1 Tower (2 more under construction), a Market, and a bunch of houses. Their gatherers acually worked right next to mine for some time before fighting broke out. When my guys started killing theirs, they started to fight back. They also started making more troops, which they hadn't been doing. Didn't send any organized attack, it stayed skirmishing between their gatherers and mine.Once they get stuck, it takes a lot to wake them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraitii Posted September 17, 2012 Report Share Posted September 17, 2012 Low level tactics have not been implemented in any AI as of yet. The best Aegis does is attacking buildings with the siege units, and units with the rest (or buildings if there are no units). Ultimately, this is one spot where an insane amount of work could be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenknight32 Posted September 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Just to verify that it's when they're left alone that they get stuck, I loaded an earlier save from when they were still building, sent a horseman to attack one of their men. It was like kicking over a hornet's nest. They came swarming at me, and immediately built another civ center across the river where I was going to build. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfinn the Shallow Minded Posted September 18, 2012 Report Share Posted September 18, 2012 Perhaps you should play on really small maps. They are a lot more offensive then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenknight32 Posted September 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 Perhaps you should play on really small maps. They are a lot more offensive then. Maybe I'll try that next - but it might be just because you tend to make contact sooner on a small map.Trying to finish testing this on Azure Coast 2, it's hard because the lag is getting very bad. Anyway, Aegis Bot is still building and making troops there, but not attacking. They're taking a lot of losses even though I haven't killed any of them, I guess the wolves are getting them.I think I'll have to attack before I max out my troop numbers to stop the lag from getting worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenknight32 Posted September 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2012 (edited) Thorfinn, you may be right. I tried Fast Oasis, and Death Canyon 2 and 3, against Aegis Bot. I barely had time to get ready before I was attacked, just the way it should be.Gave up trying to finish Azure Coast 2, the lag is just hideous. Think I'll stick to 2-player scenarios until that's fixed. Edited September 23, 2012 by greenknight32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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