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[Asher]

Just now, Emacz said:

The original roman spearman p1 doesnt cost any metal at all.  If you go p2 too soon.... thats on you for not having your resources figured out!  P1 rome is fine, spearman 50/50 and Javelineer 50/50 just like base game costs.

The Problem with the Roman one, is you can only get it from the cc, not the barracks. So you can't mass produce them very well. 

Also, with Macedonian the basic pikeman costs metal, and that is hard for starting, because archers are pretty bad in my opinion. Another thing is that the Roman Siege catapult did very little damage, is that intentional or a bug? 

[Asher]

Sorry if I keep saying the same thing 

[Emacz]

3 minutes ago, Asher said:

The Problem with the Roman one, is you can only get it from the cc, not the barracks. So you can't mass produce them very well. 

Also, with Macedonian the basic pikeman costs metal, and that is hard for starting, because archers are pretty bad in my opinion. Another thing is that the Roman Siege catapult did very little damage, is that intentional or a bug? 

No, p1 rome starts with spearman from CC and Barracks... are you playing the same mod? )

I have thought about macedonians ones a little.... and since we reduced resistances on pikeman im also considering removing that metal cost.  But again for now Im focused on bugs, and improving AI.   

[Asher]

6 minutes ago, Emacz said:

No, p1 rome starts with spearman from CC and Barracks... are you playing the same mod? )

Oh, I didn't realize that. How are you supposed to get going then, just get a bunch of units, then go to P2, or have horrible units?

7 minutes ago, Emacz said:

But again for now Im focused on bugs, and improving AI.   

If you want me to change it, I can

[Emacz]

Just now, Asher said:

Oh, I didn't realize that. How are you supposed to get going then, just get a bunch of units, then go to P2, or have horrible units?

If you want me to change it, I can

I don't want you to change Rome! Again, I would have to watch you play, play with you to give you some ideas.  But Rome is definitely one of the stronger civs that doesn't need too much help.

What makes spearman horrible units? So then should we change the tribal units that start with spearman/javelineers?

I think we should play some games together so you can see how each civ can be quite strong.

[Asher]

Just now, Emacz said:

I don't want you to change Rome! Again, I would have to watch you play, play with you to give you some ideas.  But Rome is definitely one of the stronger civs that doesn't need too much help.

Sorry, I meant change Macedonian

1 minute ago, Emacz said:

What makes spearman horrible units? So then should we change the tribal units that start with spearman/javelineers?

I mean javelineers/archers are pretty bad, at least early game, like with Macedonian. It is hard starting out with archers being the only non metal guy

[Emacz]

2 minutes ago, Asher said:

Sorry, I meant change Macedonian

I mean javelineers/archers are pretty bad, at least early game, like with Macedonian. It is hard starting out with archers being the only non metal guy

Yes, Mace is a little different and tough.  But you have strong p1 allied cav that only cost food.... you can unlock slingers p1.  Yes you should also notice although Mace p1 units are "weaker" they are cheaper and train faster... mace is more about eco early on and getting to p2.
We didnt want civs to play practically identical to one another.  
I can show you how to play to each civs strength, we can team up against the AI.  And Im sure there are people better than me who could really play into the strengths even more.

[Asher]

1 minute ago, Emacz said:

Yes, Mace is a little different and tough.  But you have strong p1 allied cav that only cost food.... you can unlock slingers p1.  Yes you should also notice although Mace p1 units are "weaker" they are cheaper and train faster... mace is more about eco early on and getting to p2.
We didnt want civs to play practically identical to one another.  
I can show you how to play to each civs strength, we can team up against the AI.  And Im sure there are people better than me who could really play into the strengths even more.

I just don't really get cav. I like having units that can gather, and then fight when I need them to. I guess that just how I play though, maybe I should just use a different civ

Edited Monday at 16:23 by Asher

[Asher]

Ok, I guess javelineers aren't so bad. I think they were in the base game, and I just assumed they were as bad in here too 

[Asher]

Is this a bug in the empire phase file? How would it replace empire phase if it is empire phase?

"replaces": [
        "phase_empi"
    ],

 

[Emacz]

 

1 minute ago, Asher said:

Is this a bug in the empire phase file? How would it replace empire phase if it is empire phase?

"replaces": [
        "phase_empi"
    ],

 

That is the generic empire phase.  The civ specific one replaces the generic

[Asher]

But I was having trouble getting city phase as Roman, I think it said I need a structure of empire phase to get it. So I assumed that was bug

[Emacz]

1 minute ago, Asher said:

But I was having trouble getting city phase as Roman, I think it said I need a structure of empire phase to get it. So I assumed that was bug

City phase?  City phase is pretty normal and standard.

[Asher]

Ok, I guess I miss read it or something. Silly me 

[Asher]

So, I noticed the Athenian Champion Archer that you train from the cc isn't very useful (I assume a bug)

[Emacz]

 

2 minutes ago, Asher said:

So, I noticed the Athenian Champion Archer that you train from the cc isn't very useful (I assume a bug)

How is that not useful? its 0 pop, and cost 60 total resourecs   Its not a champion though.... from what I have read about them, they were former slaves who were city "police" type units.  So they are 0 pop (but lmitied) they have increased vision.  They are more for patrolling and helping you notice any threats.  

[Asher]

Just now, Emacz said:

How is that not useful? its 0 pop, and cost 60 total resourecs   Its not a champion though.... from what I have read about them, they were former slaves who were city "police" type units.  So they are 0 pop (but lmitied) they have increased vision.  They are more for patrolling and helping you notice any threats.  

Oh, I though it was a bug, there being no capture, and a very low damage amount. I guess it is helpful to fully read the stats, not just part