Crowd-sourced Civ: Mauryan Indians

[Pureon]

Arched windows and doors will play a big part of our Mauryan buildings.

Some interesting info in Indian Sculpture: Circa 500 B.C.-A.D. 700 - especially on page 17 where it mentions building materials (brick and wood) used during the Maurya period.

[Mythos_Ruler]

Random musing: The Egyptian Archaic Age houses from Age of Mythology are probably along the lines of what the Indian houses of this time looked like. I'm sure larger cities had large tenements and apartment buildings like the Romans did, but it would look weird to be building "apartment buildings" in Village Phase. Maybe in Part 2 we can make some kind of distinction between houses and tenements or multi-family dwellings.

[Enrique]

Wall masonry references

http://www.fotopedia.com/items/4vlcmdk21v1b9-dy2hcQf1UCo

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KbwnWJ5B-rU/Tou6WM4k9iI/AAAAAAAAADc/wFEIFwUmurE/s1600/Taxila,Dharmrajika+002.jpg

[Mythos_Ruler]

Wall masonry references

http://www.fotopedia...1b9-dy2hcQf1UCo

http://3.bp.blogspot...mrajika+002.jpg

Nice! I like the look of the big stones mixed with smaller ones. Will look nice on stone walls and fortress.

[OrganicHallucinosis]

Random musing: The Egyptian Archaic Age houses from Age of Mythology are probably along the lines of what the Indian houses of this time looked like. I'm sure larger cities had large tenements and apartment buildings like the Romans did, but it would look weird to be building "apartment buildings" in Village Phase. Maybe in Part 2 we can make some kind of distinction between houses and tenements or multi-family dwellings.

This makes alot of sense considering Maurya India had one of the largest armies in the world and the second largest city next to Beijing in Han China.

[Shield Bearer]

The word Maurya stems from the word maur or something similar, which means peacock. The name was given to Chandragupta because he came from the land of peacocks. I'm on my phone or i would comment some more.

[Mythos_Ruler]

Civ Bonus: +10% pop cap, so 330 instead of 300. (I want to give a similar bonus to the Persians).

[The Crooked Philosopher]

I've heard Europa Barbarorum II have create their own Indian faction called Taksashila or Mauryan satrapy and they have done a lot of research about the Indian military and other Mauryan Indian related subjects.

http://www.twcenter....php?t=466774%29

I've found a helpful site which will aid your cause:

http://www.bharatadesam.com/literature/kautilya_arthashastra/arthashastra.php

Edited May 18, 2012 by The Crooked Philosopher

[Shield Bearer]

Do you have anything to back this claim? Virtually everything i've read on the topic says the Lion at Sarnath.

I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just curious as to why you claim that.

Indeed the peacock was the emblem of Chandragupta. The Lion of Sarnath was the capital of many of Ashoka's pillars, but there have been pillars with bulls also found. Here's a quote from Wikipedia.

Other literary traditions imply that Chandragupta was raised by peacock-tamers (Sanskrit: Mayura-Poshakha), which earned him the Maurya epithet. Both the Buddhist as well as Jaina traditions testify to the supposed connection between the Moriya (Maurya) and Mora or Mayura (Peacock). While the Buddhist tradition describes him as the son of the chief of the Peacock clan (Moriya) kshatriya , the Jainatradition on the other hand, refers to him as the maternal grandson of the headman of the village of peacock tamers (Moraposaga).^[12] This view suggests a degraded background of Chandragupta. (The same Jain tradition also describes Nanda as the son of a barber by a courtesan). According to some scholars, there are some monumental evidence connecting the Mauryas with peacocks. The pillar of Ashoka in Nandangarh bears on its bottom the figures of a peacock which is repeated in many sculptures of Ashoka at Sanchi.^[13] According to Turnour,^[14] Buddhist tradition also testifies to the connection between Moriya and Mora or Mayura or peacock. Aelian informs us that tame peacocks were kept in the parks of the Maurya palace at Pataliputra. But scholars like Foucher^[15] do not regard these birds as a sort of canting badge for the dynasty of Mauryas. They prefer to imagine in them a possible allusion to the Mora Jataka. Moreover, besides the peacocks, there were also other birds like pheasants, parrots as well as a variety of fishes etc. also kept in the parks and water pools of the Mauryas.

http://www.indianetzone.com/24/origin_mauryans.htm

[MishFTW]

Maybe in Part 2 we can make some kind of distinction between houses and tenements or multi-family dwellings.

Part 2 would most likely have the Guptas rather than Mauryans.

[The Crooked Philosopher]

I have some photos from TW Center, it seems the Europa Barbarorum II team have some clues about the Mauryan army, here's some examples:

Kauntikas (Indian Spearmen)

Cāpadhara Yoddhṛ (Indian Longbowmen)

Kṣatriya Khaḍgacarmadharas (Indian Swordsmen)

Kṣatriya Gadāhasta Yoddhṛ (Indian Macemen)

Kṣatriya Ᾱrya Rathas (Indian Chariot Archers)

(Indian Elephants)

Laghu Aśvānīka (Indian Light Cavalry)

[Pureon]

Keep going guys, so far this is all very helpful. More information about Mauryan architecture and ships would be much appreciated

[Enrique]

More structures refs (stupas, stupas and stupas ):

http://content.answc...images/9214.jpg

http://content.answc...788.stupa.1.jpg

http://www.ancientin...es/stupa_sm.gif

http://www.ibiblio.o...arahatStupa.jpg

wiki article and image: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahin_Posh

http://upload.wikime...onstitution.jpg

ref collections:

http://indiapicks.co.../B_Buddhist.htm

http://www.arkho.com/ana3.htm

http://dc242.4shared.com/doc/Q65DfuB8/preview.html

videos:

http://wn.com/BHARHUT_STUPA

[Mythos_Ruler]

This style of Stupa, though later than the Mauryan era, is still less elaborate than later dynasties and can be a good basis for the special building for our game's faction.

[MishFTW]

Speaking of special buildings, we could add a school (gurukuhl). School could be similar to Macedonian library. Pillars could also be one but require the hero Ashoka to build it (I think it was mentioned above) which could increase law/order by troop bonuses and economic boosts.

[daudbinbutrus]

A few things I pulled up in a bing search using this search parameter: mauryan architecture site:.edu

Not all of the sources are good for Architecture, but they say stuff relevant to producing this faction.

http://depts.washing...s/mauryans.html

http://www.sscnet.uc...hit/Archit.html

http://www.cs.colost...iya/ashoka.html - had stuff about what they used for food, so I figured it might be good to read through for that and other stuff

http://www.uncp.edu/...e_asian_civ.htm

http://www.engr.sjsu...0of%20India.pdf – Just look up what it says about Ashoka (he may not be a good option for a Hero because he promoted non-violence extensively)

I didn’t sift through all of it, but these had some promising things. Also, a lot of them tend to give some info on Mauryan but other info that is not applicable, so you have to pay attention to what the dates and places are these sources talk about.

Edited May 20, 2012 by daudbinbutrus

[daudbinbutrus]

One thing I also thought of. One thing that really throws me off about AoE 3 is that they included religious buildings, and then you can take your cannons, torches, or what not an desecrate them. It was kind of unfortunate to have mosques and such in there considering how many people I know would be offended by something like that. I could see the same happening here, so it would probably be good to be careful about what kind of architecture you implement.

[MishFTW]

Just look up what it says about Ashoka (he may not be a good option for a Hero because he promoted non-violence extensively)

I don't think a hero would have to be violence-oriented. Heros come in many forms. I think the Celts have a hero who just increases their production rate or something.

Anyways, I came across this really cool video about elephants.

[Pureon]

Info about the Mauryan capital Pataliputra:

http://en.wikipedia....tna#The_Mauryas

'wooden buildings and palaces rose to several stories' and 'wooden wall pierced by 64 gates and 570 towers'

[jaimele]

Chandragupta’s army according to Megasthenes, ambassador of Seleucus to Chandragupta:

600,000 infantry

30,000 cavalry

8000 chariotts

9000 elephants

WOW

[jaimele]

idea for building an fortification designs... read a source saying stone walls were uncommon. the capital patiliputra (possibly the largest city at the time of alexander and chandragupta) was fortified with a wooden wall with archer slits, moat and over 500 towers...

[The Crooked Philosopher]

I could introduce some of the books for the team since we know little or nothing about Mauryan naval and maritime history:

1. Kautilya Arthashastra

2. A maritime history of India by K. Sridharan

Since i have none of these books, i hope someone would contribute the books if they could or find it in the internet.

[Mythos_Ruler]

idea for building an fortification designs... read a source saying stone walls were uncommon. the capital patiliputra (possibly the largest city at the time of alexander and chandragupta) was fortified with a wooden wall with archer slits, moat and over 500 towers...

Yep, sounds like their palisades will be their city walls.

[Pureon]

A bit bigger and tougher than the standard faction palisades though

[Mythos_Ruler]

A bit bigger and tougher than the standard faction palisades though

Right, something akin to the Roman siege walls, but unique-looking.