ships Naval Boarding - seizure of ships

[Nicolaus_von_Kues]

21 hours ago, Thalatta said:

(again, techs shouldn't be like that, but actual developments from the period).

 

I agree with that. It should be something that exists to provide greater immersion.

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On the other hand, I've considered training marines on ships, similar to how the Athenian marines already operate, but aside from some bonuses, I don't know how to make it work.

http://amodelcastillo.blogspot.com/2018/03/la-armada-imperial-de-roma-rangos-y.html?m=1

 

Milites Classiarii for example.

 

We also have the Nautae They are ordinary sailors; they too participated in the combat.

[Thalatta]

54 minutes ago, Nicolaus_von_Kues said:

training marines on ships, similar to how the Athenian marines already operate

Which is a huge misconception this game also incurs, as explained in Thoughts on the Athenians :P. That they were good at sea doesn't mean regarding their "marines", but their fast ramming ships used to disable enemy ones, which, ironically, needed to have the least amount possible of deck soldiers to be swift. Thus, not only there's nothing characteristic about them, but they didn't rely on them and used as few as possible (so having them as a "champion" Athenian unit is as misleading as it could be, and why I proposed the Tachunautousa Triērēs instead). The real secret of Athenian success at sea was not just how ships were lightly built, but their expert oarsmen, drawn mostly from the low thḗtēs class, who would train all their lives expecting to be good enough to be selected by some trierarch to man the oars of a navy vital for Athens, which brought them prestige, thus more leverage and participation, in their nascent democratic system.

[Nicolaus_von_Kues]

1 hour ago, Thalatta said:

Which is a huge misconception this game also incurs, as explained in Thoughts on the Athenians :P. That they were good at sea doesn't mean  regarding their "marines", 

I forgot the greek name... Epibatai (?)

My idea is to launch maritime invasion operations and carry out raids; I was thinking about that yesterday when I was showing you the riverboats.

The ship trains troops on board before launching "Blitzkrieg" operations.

I like that concept so that ships aren't so boring.

I'm going to leave a channel I follow with a couple of thoughts.

 

 

[Thalatta]

4 minutes ago, Nicolaus_von_Kues said:

I forgot the greek name... Epibatai (?)

Yes, although not very precisely, since it could refer in general to any passenger carried on deck.

 

4 minutes ago, Nicolaus_von_Kues said:

The ship trains troops on board before launching "Blitzkrieg" operations.

I like that concept so that ships aren't so boring.

I proposed an Hoplitagogos (Hoplite Carrier) tech to increase the garrisons of Threes for certain civs like Spartans, Achaemenids (in their language) and coming Thebans, to improve their boarding chances. Maybe instead this could be used to train infantry on ships, but one has to be careful not to end with a boarding force spawn. I think I didn't mention the Hippagogos (Horse Carrier), to have it in mind also.

[Nicolaus_von_Kues]

10 minutes ago, Thalatta said:

boarding force spawn

Good point.

That's why malfunctions and potential exploits should be addressed. 

PD: I need someone to give me perspectives I'm missing. Feedback is very welcome. That way I can develop my idea.