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[Outis]

Hello community, 

When does it make sense to use the available resources to upgrade gathering technologies, rather than use the resources to train additional citizens? What is your opinion and what is your reasoning?

Edited yesterday at 15:23 by Outis

[borg-]

In a rush situation or playing on the border, 10 soldiers before upgrading wood and farm. In a situation where you're certain you won't receive a rush, upgrade wood before the barracks, then a barracks and farm upgrade.

Of course it's very situational, but in general this is how I do it.

[Player of 0AD]

Woodcutting 1: Before training
Farming 1: Before training, except if you have a lot of additional food

If you have a slinger civ and collect stone early, you can also take the stone upgrade early

If you have like 100 pop you can go p2 and then immediately woodcutting 2, then farming 2.
After clicking p3 you can also take stone 1 and metal 1.
After reaching p3 obviously take wood 3 and food 3.
stone 2 isnt really worth it, unless you plan a lot of slingers during a long game.
Metal 2 and 3 can make sense if you have extra metal.

[Outis]

Thanks for the answers, i was thinking more along the lines of, how many new lumberjacks is the first wood gathering tech worth? 

[Deicide4u]

Well, as borg said, it depends on the situation you're in. 

If you are doing a boom, get level 1 woodcutting as early as possible. Get level 1 farming once you transition to farms.

If you are being rushed, priority is to defend yourself, so make soldiers.

Get level 2 as soon as you hit the town phase. 

[Outis]

What about wicker baskets? In what cases is it worth it? Does the starting patch of berry bushes justify its cost? Or should you be near a second patch or be in a biome like sahara with higher starting gatherables?

[Deicide4u]

If you have additional berries nearby. Otherwise, not worth the cost. 

[Outis]

What about gather capacity upgrades? 

[ffm2]

IMO if you so many questions you should learn to calculate that yourself, check out replays, spectate live games or check the popularity of techs post that I linked you before in another thread. 

Capacity upgrades are not very popular.

But you can carry on the conversation with others of course. But how would you know they are right?

Edited 8 hours ago by ffm2

[Outis]

2 hours ago, ffm2 said:

how would you know they are right

My intention is not to arrive at right or wrong, but rather see how others approach the questions, so I can arrive at my conclusions. And maybe the conversation helps others too, if others share their opinoons.

2 hours ago, ffm2 said:

you should learn to calculate that yourself

I will indeed try some new things mentioned here .  

What I think would be great is, if we had a "0 AD SotL" who would actually share videos about such calculations. I think this has the potential to improve gameplay design as well as make the game more popular.

[Player of 0AD]

3 hours ago, Outis said:

What about gather capacity upgrades? 

Number 1 is good in the late game

[Outis]

1 hour ago, Player of 0AD said:

Number 1 is good in the late game

My thinking on this one: farms are usually placed next to deposit sites already, and you build storehouses directly near the mines, for in these cases, you dont benefit from less time spent to return with gathered resources, in fact one can argue you introduce an indesirable delay in receiving the resources to your stockpile. I see these mainly as a boost to wood gathering, since the walking time to the storehouse increases over time as harvested trees disappear.