The toxic player Issue

[ffm2]

10 hours ago, TheCJ said:

If someone is toxic, get evidence and report him.

There's so much drama here, I think one can chose where to get involved and where not. If one just wants to play a simple game that day, one can do so. I chose to get involved with fair-play aspect and it already takes more time than I like to spend on it.

 

6 hours ago, Baelish said:

In a previous thread that I started, I proposed a possible solution: an automatic multiplayer rating for 2 teams games.

If you have a working algorithm, maybe you can test it by modding local ratings mod. I think this mod currently does not rate well and favors certain styles and not just because there's too few games. ValihrAnt is rated 8.18 in replay-pallas.wildfiregames.ovh Players with higher rating than him: RangerK, FriedrichDerGrosse, Meister_Augustus, breakfastburrito_007, Atrik_III. All over 10 games.

I checked how well all past games are predicted by the current local rating of the players in my database and overall it predicts the team with a higher sum of lr is the winner in 59.3% of the cases (so it is better than random guessing). The 20 games I have with ValihrAnt got predicted 70% false by the sum of the lr of the team (so worse than random guessing). Btw. my lr is -20.64 so maybe I'm biased. If I clean up the statistics I can release more, but I think scrolling through replay-pallas.wildfiregames.ovh with players in mind you know should suffice to get a feeling of the accuracy of local ratings.

 

Another reason for toxicity I see is also the state of modding/cheating. Without discussing the cheats themself here it's also a culture shock for other gamers when they learn about the current state in 0 a.d.. This causes a lot of frustration which unloads in toxicity on both sides.

[alre]

this thread is ending up the same as the other one. I don't quite think that one served well to its author and I don't see this one heading to a better direction.

@Meister I don't suppose you'd want to hear my advice, but if you keep reporting stuff here you'll exasperate the conflict so I say don't. remember you have as much power as he has and he doesn't like you but you don't like him either so that's it, suck it up.

just my 2 cents.

[Dunedan]

Please keep it civil in here and focus on the overall issue, not individual players. Otherwise, I'm going to lock this thread.

[Baelish]

Please don't take it for granted that everyone knows smurfers: not all players are on this forum or read everything.

I played with a smurfer and obviously ruined balance and it was frustrating also for me, but I accepted him with good will.

 

@ffm2

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If you have a working algorithm, maybe you can test it by modding local ratings mod.

Sadly I have not the skills to do that. I can try to do something after my university exams.

Edited December 19 by Baelish

[TheCJ]

20 hours ago, ffm2 said:

There's so much drama here

Is there? There's like, 1 very... unique... player, 3 players that get toxic towards their teammates and like, 4 players Ive seen that smurf? And dozens, if not hundreds, of decent and friendly 0ad enjoyers the just wanna have a great time.

20 hours ago, ffm2 said:

I think one can chose where to get involved and where not.

Of course. You arent working for WFG, so you do not have to report anything. You still have a moral obligation, much like you shouldn't ignore verbal abuse in reallife...

[Baelish]

6 minutes ago, leopard said:

my words deleted

I believe that Dunedan removed the posts (also mine) where we talk about any precise person. I think it is right, otherwise it become a shitstorm.

16 minutes ago, TheCJ said:

And dozens, if not hundreds, of decent and friendly 0ad enjoyers the just wanna have a great time.

And we all agree with that, but as a decent and friendly 0ad enjoyer I'm saying that the presence of smurfers is annoying and we are searching a way to limit their behaviour.

I think that 0ad community is the best I find and for this reason if a problem arise, is useful to discuss about it.

[a 0ad player]

Good day and merry christmas time,

what annoys me is when things are weaponized. Some see the game as only worth playing if they win, others if they can rule (with others serving as their toys instead of being living people). The pride of having to be first comes from the same evil spirit/will (fear). One can only have mercy on this spiritual aberration. These lost souls are lost until they confess and repent.

One who uses smufing as a weapon to shape the games to his liking as if he were god has ruined several of my games in the last 2 months.

Another one who also hides his skills to suddenly play pro against select players or especially bad when someone unpopular in his eyes is on his team, I also encountered and was eliminated. I have nothing against players who are honest and go into nub games and are just op or op players who go into nub games and play nub. The game dies when pride wins and the spiritual dead path is taken. When it goes against certain players like they are enemies or the other players are just toys instead of living people. When eating and stealing from others becomes common because your own spirit has died.
What can you do? Nothing. Mercy and perseverance will help. The lost are lost until they decide to turn back. To follow this wrong path is futile and evil.

If the other person does not want to see his transgression after being addressed alone and under witness, it is time to let the community know. Not to punish, but to give it away. The sinner has chosen his path. Let him be like the tax collector. He wants it that way.

I'm currently with my family and was allowed to play with comprimido at a skill level that was close to honest (he just didn't allow himself to multirecruit units). Here is that game.

Best wishes and a joyful end to the year.

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[alre]

On 22/12/2024 at 10:49 PM, a 0ad player said:

One who uses smufing as a weapon to shape the games to his liking as if he were god has ruined several of my games in the last 2 months.

this. wfg should realize that simply discouraging new accounts is the best strategy for enhancing the mp experience. to me, the most disrupting players are in order from most to least bothering:

1. smurfs

2. rage-quitters

3. players toxic in player chat, often ending in rage-quitting

4. players stealing in ladder

5. players toxic in lobby chat, and other unsocial behaviour like being interested in cheating, blatantly cheating, being racist or bullying

I understand how others may see it differently, but nothing disrupts balance in games as much as a smurf.