Grautvornix Posted December 27, 2023 Report Share Posted December 27, 2023 Indeed I also favor beige and white as the white background looks well balanced and also increases readability of the text. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 27, 2023 Report Share Posted December 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, Grautvornix said: Indeed I also favor beige and white as the white background looks well balanced and also increases readability of the text. Agreed, but a lot of people enjoy Dark themes, so I through gray and black in there for those people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grautvornix Posted December 27, 2023 Report Share Posted December 27, 2023 @wowgetoffyourcellphone : My first reaction would be: if we cannot decide for the background color scheme we might want to make it user-selectable (I know: it is yet another parameter) On the other hand, the encyclopedia, while possibly part of the game package, might still deserve a certain distinction from the overall game style to make it stand out a bit more as reference material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 27, 2023 Report Share Posted December 27, 2023 21 minutes ago, Grautvornix said: @wowgetoffyourcellphone : My first reaction would be: if we cannot decide for the background color scheme we might want to make it user-selectable (I know: it is yet another parameter) On the other hand, the encyclopedia, while possibly part of the game package, might still deserve a certain distinction from the overall game style to make it stand out a bit more as reference material. Upper right hand corner, I put a little theme drop menu. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ShadowOfHassen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 @wowgetoffyourcellphone what are you using to design these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, ShadowOfHassen said: @wowgetoffyourcellphone what are you using to design these? Adobe® Photoshop™ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 39 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Adobe® Photoshop™ Not GIMP?!? Joking aside, how can you have the buttons and everything look exactly like 0 A.D's UI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 54 minutes ago, ShadowOfHassen said: Not GIMP?!? I honestly am having a really hard time with Gimp's UI, even with the Photoshop UI mod. The features just aren't the same. 54 minutes ago, ShadowOfHassen said: Joking aside, how can you have the buttons and everything look exactly like 0 A.D's UI? I pulled many of the assets directly from the game's art folders and also just cut things out of screenshots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 I really enjoyed making this one: You can see @Freagarach's Gaia emblem there. BTW: The "Statistics" area will list the basic stats for the unit, similar to my "Template Viewer" mockup. I think the in-game Template Viewer could remove the "History" section and instead have a button to open the Game Library article. Save a little room on the Template Viewer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantha Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 Quick question: what historical unit is the 'Wu Wei Yin Cao Cao Guard'? Is it the 'tiger and leopard cavalry' by Cao Cao? And what about the other champion units? The spearmen are obviously the palace guards. But the champion archer cavalry and the champion crossbowman? Are they anything more specific than just a professional elite unit? Btw, as I already said, the mock-ups look phenomenal, I think the beige and white colour scheme fits very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 The actual order of the buttons^ can be debated, as well as the wording. For instance, I could see the list reordered (and changed wording) to: Historical Background Cultures and Civilizations Gameplay Military Units Civilians Structures Heroes and Heroines Environments and Maps Glossary Possible Menu: Spoiler Historical Background Wars Battles Bronze Age-Iron Age Cultures leading up to the time period of 0 A.D. Assyrians Mycenaeans Minoans Egyptians etc. Architecture Archaeology Cultures and Civilizations Cultures in the Game Greeks Romans/Latins Egyptians Celts Playable Civilizations Athenians Civ bonuses Team bonuses Special Technologies Britons Civ bonuses Team bonuses Special Technologies All the rest etc. etc. Non-Playable Civilizations (usually represented by mercenaries or mini-civs) Cretans Rhodians Syracusans Numidians Garamantes Mayans etc. Military Units Infantry and Cavalry Spear Infantry Sword Infantry Slinger Infantry Javelin Infantry Archer Infantry etc. etc. etc. Hoplite Cataphract Chariot War Elephant Champions Mercenaries Siege Weapons Battering Ram Bolt Shooter Catapult Siege Tower Fire Raiser Naval Units Scout Ship Arrow Ship Ramming Ship Siege Ship Corvus Ship Fire Ship Athenians Athenian Hoplite Militia Slinger etc. Britons Brythonic Heavy Infantry Iceni Swordsman etc. Carthaginians Liby-Phoenician Spearman etc. Continue list of civs.... etc. etc. Civilian Units Civilian Types Female Citizen (Empires Ascendant) Citizen (Delenda Est) Slave (Delenda Est) Trader Priest Resource Wagon (Delenda Est) Athenian Civilians Athenian Woman Athenian Citizen (DE) Slave (DE) Priest of Athena Trader Briton Civilians Celtic Woman Briton Artisan (DE) Thrall (DE) Druid Trader etc. etc. etc. etc. Structures Civic Buildings Civic Center Military Colony House Temple Economic Buildings Dock (DE) Farmstead ("Granary" in DE) Market Market Vendor (DE) Storehouse Resource Buildings Cult Statue (DE) Animal Corral Grain Field Cash Crops (DE) Military Buildings Barracks Range (DE) Stable Forge Dock Shipyard (DE) Fortress Elephant Stable etc. Defensive Buildings Sentry Tower Defense Tower Stone Defense Tower (DE) Outpost Stone Outpost (DE) Palisade City Wall Special Buildings Army Camp Siege Walls Stoa (DE) Royal Stoa Gymnaseion Syssition Celtic Embassy Italic Embassy Iberian Embassy Library Lighthouse Theater Tachara Indian Palace Capturable Map Structures Mill ("Farmstead" in DE) Trading Post Mercenary Camp (DE) List different merc camps (DE) etc. Shrines Celtic Chinese Egyptian Greek 1 Greek 2 Japanese (DE) Kushite Persian Zapotec (DE) Cultural Artifacts (DE) Buddhist Shrine (DE) Egyptian Obelisk (DE) Japanese Tori (DE) Shaman Hut (DE) Standing Stones (DE) Aphrodite Statue (DE) Sanchi Gate (DE) Environments and Maps Biomes Aegean-Anatolian Arctic Baltic-Nordic Eurasian Steppe Fields of Meroe (Dry/Rainy) India Nubia Persia Persian Highlands (Spring/Summer) Rhineland Autumn Sahara Subalpine Sudanese Savanna Temperate Summer Random Maps List all random maps A lot of them... etc. Skirmish List of all Skirmish maps etc. etc. Campaigns Animals (Fauna) List all animals etc. etc. Fruit Berries (generic) Berries (winter) Dates Figs Apples Grapes Trees Straggler Trees Forest Groves (DE) etc. Treasures Relics Bandits and Brigands Cilician Pirate Ship Rhodian Marauder Ship Greek Farmer Greek Shepherd Egyptian Farmer Egyptian Shepherd Heroes and Heroines Athenian Heroes list Briton Heroes list Scenario and Campaign Heroes list Gameplay Overview Phases Village Town City Empire (DE) Territory Strong Core; Weak Countryside (DE) Capturing Loot Citizen-Soldier Concept Researching Technologies Batch-Training Formations Overview list Freehand Stances Overview List Military Tactics Focus Fire Sniping Unit placement' Counters Support Unit Roles Female Citizens Citizens (DE) Slaves (DE) Economic Strategies Resource Gathering Claiming Resources Trading Bartering Fishing Farming Ranching Healing Temples Priests Basic Strategies Boom Turtle Rush Naval Rush Fishing Boom Amphibious Landings Technologies Civic Center list House list Temple list Barracks list etc. Hotkeys Extensive List here Glossary (This is a list of all articles from all of the other above categories, but alphabetical, plus any other terms and features not discussed above, such as UI objects and features) Alphabetical list 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 8 hours ago, Vantha said: Quick question: what historical unit is the 'Wu Wei Yin Cao Cao Guard'? Is it the 'tiger and leopard cavalry' by Cao Cao? And what about the other champion units? The spearmen are obviously the palace guards. But the champion archer cavalry and the champion crossbowman? Are they anything more specific than just a professional elite unit? I don't even have a guess. Did you try looking up their Chinese name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vantha Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 hours ago, ShadowOfHassen said: I don't even have a guess. Did you try looking up their Chinese name? Yes, I did, that's usually the first thing I do. I just realised the champion archers are chariots, a text about chariots will fit for them. Also, for one of the basic cavalry units I thought I could write about the War Over The Heavenly Horses. It's the story of how they got powerful horses for their cavalry units. Do you think that's too unrelated to the unit (e.g. cavalry spearman) itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 Quote Also, for one of the basic cavalry units I thought I could write about the War Over The Heavenly Horses. It's the story of how they got powerful horses for their cavalry units. Do you think that's too unrelated to the unit (e.g. cavalry spearman) itself? You could. Of course, if the new encyclopedia is written, it can always be a separate text. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ShadowOfHassen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 45 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Did you make the portaits yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, ShadowOfHassen said: Did you make the portaits yourself? https://www.imagine.art/dashboard/tool/from-text The base game (Empires Ascendant; aka EA) versions of the graphics would not include AI art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 27 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: https://www.imagine.art/dashboard/tool/from-text The base game (Empires Ascendant; aka EA) versions of the graphics would not include AI art. I appreciate that. I'm not a fan of AI anything. (That is AI large models, not conventional AI) Still, the art does look pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, ShadowOfHassen said: I appreciate that. I'm not a fan of AI anything. (That is AI large models, not conventional AI) Still, the art does look pretty good. I have long hoped and advocated for WFG to commission an artist for Hero/Unit portraits, but nothing has been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: I have long hoped and advocated for WFG to commission an artist for Hero/Unit portraits, but nothing has been done. If 0 A.D. has excess funds, why not? It would be good to have illustrations for the encyclopedia, (maybe even get the Open source person who does Pepper and Carrot?) Contracting some programmers also wouldn't hurt, anything. Slightly off-topic, but how much funds does 0 A.D. have exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, ShadowOfHassen said: If 0 A.D. has excess funds, why not? It would be good to have illustrations for the encyclopedia, (maybe even get the Open source person who does Pepper and Carrot?) Contracting some programmers also wouldn't hurt, anything. WFG is very conservative with its funds. Mostly warranted. The funds have to last as long as the project does and the last fundraiser was... a challenge. But there is an excess of funds, yes, and I'd like to see a portion of that go toward some art commissions. 3 minutes ago, ShadowOfHassen said: Slightly off-topic, but how much funds does 0 A.D. have exactly? I believe there is a yearly report done on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted December 28, 2023 Report Share Posted December 28, 2023 1 minute ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: WFG is very conservative with its funds. Mostly warranted. The funds have to last as long as the project does and the last fundraiser was... a challenge. But there is an excess of funds, yes, and I'd like to see a portion of that go toward some art commissions. I agree that 0 A.D. shouldn't kill itself (they do need to keep the servers online), however, if some of the money was invested in the game so that it's good enough to post on steam, we could get a large enough player base that fundraisers might be easier. Besides with inflation (which I think is happening everywhere) 0 A.D.'s only loosing money. I'll look forward to seeing the yearly report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted December 29, 2023 Report Share Posted December 29, 2023 Han female citizen: https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/94 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted December 29, 2023 Report Share Posted December 29, 2023 I just came across this post: It says that all the art for 0 A.D. is CC BY-SA 3.0 and the code/data is GPL 2.0 Technically, the way I'm reading it, the encyclopedia would fall under GPL 2.0. I'm not an expert on licenses, but I think the GPL is not the best license to use for the encyclopedia. We could also license the encyclopedia under CC BY-SA, except it would be better probably to run with 4.0 (because of the additional protections and the fact that it makes you state changes to the work) Alternatively, I think, to be certain that no other game is going to take the encyclopedia for themselves (and not do the research themselves) it might be better to place it under the CC BY-NC-SA 4.0. However, I'm open to the C BY-SA Here are the links to: CC BY-SA https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/ CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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