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  3. Resistance calculations

    in Game Development & Technical Discussion

    Posted · Edited by maroder

    On 05/05/2022 at 7:20 PM, Player of 0AD said:

    I care because I like the game ; )

    I figured :D but I still don't understand why you care about that specific point, if it doesn't change anything about the gameplay itself.

    On 05/05/2022 at 7:20 PM, Player of 0AD said:

    The levels are useful for techs and heroes which increase armor.

    If you want to check out which upgrades your enemy or ally has on his army, you check out the level number so you can quickly see which upgrades are in place. Its easier to keep in mind than just the percentages. The levels are linear numbers, the percentages are not linear.

    Hmm I get the point, but isn't that debatable? You could still have a tech/ hero that gives +X% resistance and personally I find it easier to keep the percentages in mind, as they have a clear meaning.

    On 05/05/2022 at 7:33 PM, Sevda said:

    writing '50' is less chunky than 0.998...

    well, you could write 98% no need to get into the decimals.

    On 05/05/2022 at 7:13 PM, a 0ad player said:

    Otherwise, please do not change anything xd.

    seem like the consensus on every topic. lol.

    But the point is that it is not clear to a new player (or even to many experienced player) what +1 Resistance means. 10% hack resistance is much more clear imo.

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  5. Resistance calculations

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    Thanks to the FAQ https://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/FAQ#Gameplay and to the very length discussion here: 

    I finally have an idea about what the nebulous resistance levels do.

    Which raises the question: Why is it so complicated in the first place ? I don't think that many people know what those values mean.

    How about dropping the resistance levels and the obscure exponential calculation and just use percentages that everybody understand?

    E.g. 10 hack attack on a unit with 50% hack resistance = 5 Damage.

    Am I missing some hidden uses cases of the resistance levels?

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  7. ===[TASK]=== Terrain and Map Overhaul (Milestone: Alpha 27)

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    Posted · Edited by maroder

    2 hours ago, hyperion said:

    If a user has to change the default filter to something like old maps or testing maps to see the lower quality ones, I see no risk of the above being the case.

    There might indeed be little value of keeping them but the argument made against removal on the patch is reasonable enough for me given there is no harm.

    Generally I agree :) moving them to a filter may be enough. But for the sake of the argument itself:

    quality over quantity. related:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_fatigue

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overchoice

     

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  8. Athenian Champions Are Locked to Technology, Instead of City Phase

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    1 hour ago, Carltonus said:

    Then the consensus process can begin.

    exactly :)

    1 hour ago, Carltonus said:

    The archer- and marine-unlocking tech will still be there, but the two units should not need this to be required to be trained at the barracks and gymnasium, respectively; only for extension to be trained also at the two naval entities mentioned above.

    That would have been my preferred solution, but the unlocking code doesn't allow something like this at the moment (at least as far as I know).

  12. Looking back on the balancing strategy

    in Gameplay Discussion

    Posted · Edited by maroder
    typos

    1 hour ago, Stan` said:

    I'd like that. The design document is actually versioned and changes can be made to it. https://docs.wildfiregames.com/design/ But I need people to step up and take the lead.

    taking the lead is a bit of a blurry description. Do you mean as in 'writing down how the game currently works' or as in 'how it should work' ? The latter will probably cause some conflict e.g.

    1 hour ago, Stan` said:

    This is why I wanted someone to take the role and make decisions. This is too heavy for me on top of everything else. I hoped it would work with @borg- but it seems even his ideas were not to the liking of most people...

    making or contributing to a design document would also require some kind of decision or knowledge about what features will be implemented in the future and which just won't make the cut. E.g. secondary weapons. phase 4, new civs ect.

    Generally I would like to help out with that task, but it is unclear what *exactly* the task contains.

    ______

    1 hour ago, Stan` said:

    Maybe the issue is the medium of communication rather than the actual thing being discussed ? Maybe audio chat could help?

    Hmm sure, some things are better / quicker to discuss in real time (so it might be a good option to have some kind of regular internal chats), but I think the asynchronous communication is actually a strength of the development process. I think it's mostly a problem of diverging ideas about how the game should play and discussing something like that means emotional investment which just cost a lot of energy.

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  13. Looking back on the balancing strategy

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    41 minutes ago, smiley said:

    If I have the chance, this game would be beyond recognition, that's how different the vision is. And the spectrum of stuff people like are probably just as vast. It's like three gears interlocking, they don't spin. Hence why such a thing as making a rigid design document is going to cause so much controversy

    this. It is incredibly demanding and time consuming task to argue with people why your view of how the game should be is the good and should be implemented. So people who have the skills to actually do some changes are unfortunately better off time and motivation wise by just creating a mod, especially when they don't play multiplayer.

    So the incentive of making, discussing or accepting gameplay patches is just not that big, the exception being glaring issues (e.g. fire cav).

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  14. Looking back on the balancing strategy

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    For me this comes back to the problem that it's hard to define what 'balancing' is and that there is no definite feature/ gameplay-design plan.

    Everyone comes in with different ideas of how they would want the game to look and play like and no consensus in any form is ever reached. So is this a discussion about  e.g. skirmishers need -1 hack or about hard vs soft counter or about how different civs should play and how the grand gameplay works?

    Without a having a defined goal of what the balancing discussion should lead to, it's hard to discuss it.

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  15. Wow's new unit countering ideas

    in Gameplay Discussion

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    5 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    Indeed, polearms could have the "snare" effect that makes their enemies move a little slower for a brief time. An effect not given by swords or shorter spears.

    I just watched this video about why aoe2 is more popular than aoe3 and one reason discussed is the worse unit motion in aoe3 particular through a snare effect. Not sure if it is the same as you had in mind but something to consider.

    @5:40

     

     

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  19. Can we have a large banner to show "Defeated" or "Won"?

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    As long as there is no skilled digital painting artist around who wants to put in some serious hours I don't think there is much value in discussing something in that direction. And even if there were such a person, I would like them to do some more main menu backgrounds first :)

    ________

    I have no strong opinion on banner vs civ emblem. Banner seems easier art wise, as you only have to do one, but the civ specific, result-colored emblems have a bit more expression. 

    But I am not really a fan of the idea to have the banner be the player color tho (seems like a decent chance to get some atrocious looking results, especially when using mods that change the player colors), or to have a quick summary or stats displayed there. Maybe I will change my mind in the future but right now a clear division between the endgame message and the summary feels better to me.

    _______

    about the files: naming doesn't matter as long as it's consistent, so whatever seems sensible.

    And baking the icons on top or not: I guess it would save a bit of code if they are together but it shouldn't matter that much. Keeping them separate would allow easier improvement of the individual parts in the future.

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  20. copyright and forum guidelines

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    I recently read the Blender forum copyright guidelines and just wanted to discuss if there is any relevancy of that to 0ad.

    They basically say: "Don't post any screenshot of other (non-open source) applications as reference" because apparently they did get into legal trouble about that in the past.

    So is this something that should be handled in a similar way here in the forum and on phabricator + trac, or is the situation here different?

  21. CC limit = 1?

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    2 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

    im thinking we should have phase 4.

    2 and 3 are short. 

    having a 4th phase doesn't change phase 1 and 2 being short. One would need to redesign them so that they actually provide different gameplay options, instead of just being phases you rush through to p3. So I don't think that's a good argument.

    I'm not against p4, but it has t be filled with something meaningful and unless most of DE's concepts are adapted I don't see this happening.

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  22. CC limit = 1?

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    8 hours ago, Stan` said:

    Can't it be an interesting differentiation if made more explicit, or if it comes with bonii ?

    I think the differentiation is them being able to build a military colony. Also allowing the cc reduces the differentiation from my view :D

  25. Can we have a large banner to show "Defeated" or "Won"?

    in Game Development & Technical Discussion

    Posted · Edited by maroder

    a few comments:

    the blue looks a bit too much neon like for me. maybe something a bit more muted or maybe a gold/ "light"-like color?

    and I know it's just a mock-up, but the laurel wreath is a bit too much icon/comic like imo. I can imagine that a bigger more realistic variant (maybe also in gold/metal color) could even be used around the whole circle?

    2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    The map snaps to the coordinates of the winning action. Unfortunately, often times the winning action is off screen.

    Then it becomes a problem to define what that actions is, which I think is quite hard.

    ___________

    Other question: should it display the civ or the player name?

    ___________

    I this should be easy enough to do, provided the art is there and minus the map rotation/snap to winning action. One problem could be that there is right now no text available that is that big.

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