Welcome! And to clarify that last thing, it's not really the kick-off of 0 A.D. we're waiting for, that would have been some years ago when the first steps were taken. What these forums are waiting for is .................. Hmm, not sure, but I'm certain there's gonna be a lot more life here when the game's released, it's gonna take some time 'til we get there. (After all we're "but" hobbyists and when you think of the actual time spent programming etc I don't think we've spent that much time. I read somewhere that a commercial game takes about 2,5 years to complete, I'm sure that number varies a lot, depending on the complexity of the game etc, but it's an ok example. That is with people working full time, and probably having a lot of experience, not doing it in their spare time and learning as they go. And I'm not wanting to criticise someone or turn down your expectations, 'cause this is going to be a great game when it's finished, but just want to encourage you to be patient ) Again, welcome to our forums, and I hope you'll stay with us to the bitter end huge success time when this wonderful game is finished.