Flavius Aetius

The Romans basically converted entirely to Greek by the reign of Heraklios, whose death in 638 marks the end of the Classical Era. Basileia toh Rhomaioi is just the spelling with English letters. That was the Greek word for the "Roman Empire" Byzantine Siphon http://pinake.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/fuego-griego-lanzador.jpg http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/hoplite14gr/byzantine%20weapons/IMG_0120.jpg

It would make sense to have some sort of defensive infantry. Automatic fire had been in use for centuries and became what the Romans called "Liquid Fire" or "Greek/Roman Fire." Sextus Julius Africanus, 3rd Century AD, recording the mixture: Units armed with pots of Automatic fire could be used to counter Siege Weapons. Also, the Onager wasn't around at the time of 0AD Empires Ascendant. It was in use from the 2nd Century AD onwards until the invention of the Mangonel and Trebuchet in the 6th century AD. Units: Spearmen should counter Cavalry Lancers. Swordsmen should counter Spearmen. Infantry Skirmishers should counter Swordsmen. Cavalry Skirmishers should counter Infantry Skirmishers. Cavalry Lancers/Swords should counter cavalry skirmishers. Cavalry archers were anti-everything in the right hands. They could be the same as Cavalry Skirmishers I guess, except in the case of the Scythians probably.

Greek Fire: Well, it's one variant of Greek Fire. We don't know the actual composition but using different mixtures of components they had we can replicate the different effects of it. We know it was a liquid, it mad a roaring noise, it billowed smoke and shot flames a great distance. It was also ignited by air and water intensified the flame. We know it used Naptha, Tree Sap, and either left Calcium Carbonate (Rock Salt) as a byproduct or used it in the reactant formula. And we think it was a descendant of Sextus Julius Africanus's "Automatic Fire" which had been in use since Ancient Greece. Greek Fire was used in two forms by infantry: siphons and hand grenades. It seems to have always been kept on hand at Constantinople, even after the loss of the areas that produced resources needed to make it. If I recall correctly, it was used in the final siege of Constantinople. Chi Rho: As for the Chi-Rho, it fits Byzantium perfectly. As for the Shield Patterns: When I say Late Roman, I mean (Both Halves) of the Roman Empire from 284-638 AD. When I say Rhomaion I mean "Byzantium" or Roman Empire from 638-1453 AD. The Shield Patterns mentioned are both Eastern Roman in the Notitia Dignitatum (Dated 395). A lot of units survived a long time. Legio IIII Parthica is last mentioned in 586. Legio V Macedonica is the longest lasting, last mentioned in Antipolis (just north of it's Garrison at Memphis) the 630's AD

Thanks, I'll experiment with it. It seems to work so far, am playing around with it.

Relating to my earlier question, and hopefully inspiring a new Tuitorial, how would I make a building able to be constructed? Say I want to make the Roman Champion unit able to construct the temple of Mars? Also how do you make a building (e.g. the Stoa) that normally doesn't recruit units able to recruit them? Just copy and paste the lines from e.g. Royal Stoa? Thanks for your help.

The Image shown is not the same as the Greek Star and Crescent. The Iota-Rho/Chi-Rho/Tau-Rho was the symbol of the Empire: http://www.lycianturkey.com/images/kumluca-tr.jpg http://test.classconnection.s3.amazonaws.com/336/flashcards/460336/jpg/justinianmural.jpg

Agreed. I've finished the text part of the recruitment tree. For Heroes I recommend Heraklios, Basil II Boulgaraktonos, and probably one inbetween. Thoughts on adding the Siphonatores (who used handheld Greek Fire throwers) to the game? I think Greek Fire would be significantly OP, although for the Byzantine Navy it would be a necessity. I will draw some concept art for units. I'm good at drawing. EDIT: Some shield patterns for the Skoutatoi we can use: http://www.ne.jp/asahi/luke/ueda-sarson/NDvictores.html The Βικτορες (Victores) are last mentioned in Italy in 935 AD http://www.ne.jp/asahi/luke/ueda-sarson/MagisterPraesentalis2.html The Φελικες Θεοδοσιακοι (Latin: Felices Theodosiaci). It is a unit last mentioned brigaded with the Victores in 935. (it's on the List of shields, page 2 3rd row far right)

It would be best to have 1 faction for the first half, as the Thematic Byzantine system covers from 638 AD to 1045 AD. The second half would pretty much also have one, which is the Pronoia system, which contained elements of the Theme system. I'm continuing to edit the above post. Check back later tonight for pix. We could use the Roman faction as a base, and use the Hellenes' recruitment tree probably.

Alright, Thematic byzantine is your best bet. First, I should let you know that it wasn't called Byzantium, it was called the Βασιλεία Τοη Ρωμαίων (Basileia Toh Rhomaion) or the "Soverignity of the Romans." Let's look at some Thematic Roman units: Barracks Units: Village Phase: Ακριται (Akritai) - The Akritai were the descendants of the Late Roman Limitanei. They were professional soldiers whose purpose was to defend the borders of the Empire, but were given lands to maintain called Εκονομικαι (Ekonomikai). These men could be armored or unarmored, and were usually equipped with a medium or large ovoid shield, a spear, and javelins. Like the Republican Roman units, they should gain armor as they gain experience. A Κλιβανίων or Lamellar cuirass would suffice. http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7061/acritaefinalrs0.jpg Ακοντισται (Javilenmen) - Akontistai were the descendants of the Roman Lanciarii that were stationed in the back of a Legion. Although the legion was no longer used, the Akritai still carried on this practice in order to make them more versatile to face a wider variety of foes. They have a bundle of javelins and a small or medium shield. Like the Republican Roman units, they should gain armor as they gain experience. A gambeson would suffice. http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/8333/18542551.png http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/6199/52439774.png Ιπποακριται (Hippoakritai) - These men are the same as the Akritai, but mounted. They were professional soldiers, and given lands to tend like the Akritai, but were more like screening cavalry than lance and bow cavalry. They were armed with a set of javelins, and a lance (κοντός or kontos), and a smaller cavalry shield. http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/3485/13a.png http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/927/13bv.png Town Phase Σκουτατοι (Skoutatoi) - The Skoutatoi were the descendants of the Late Roman Comitatenses, and were the standard line infantry of the Empire. They carried a large ovoid or kite shield and were either spearmen or swordsmen (for gameplay purposes I'd make the Akritai Spearmen and the Skoutatoi swordsmen). They were armored, professional soldiers, and did not tend lands like the Akritai. http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2263/26942752.png http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7572/34770726.png http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/1808/14a.png Τοξοται (Archers) - These men are archers. Skoutatoi also had units of Akontistai, as a development of the late Roman practice, and archers as well. The Roman government also had several laws in place that stated cities were required to keep a garrison of Toxotae at all times. These men were armed with Turkish composite bows, although not nearly of the same quality as the ones that took 10 years to make. They also sometimes had a small shield. Like the Republican Roman units, they should gain armor as they gain experience. A gambeson would suffice. http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9894/cburtoxotai.png http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/4566/35547533.png Κουρσορσες (Koursorses) - The Koursorses were lance-and-bow cavalry, equipped with a long lance called a Kontos and an Asymmetric horse bow. The Koursorses operated in tandem with the Defensorses, rushing out to attack and then retreating into the Δεφενσορσες (Defensorses) which the pursuing enemy would slam into, in a tactic modelled after the Alans (Ossetians). http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9558/0013k.png http://www.twcenter.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=178552&d=1314215548 http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9454/0011gq.png Fortress Units: Βαρανγιοι (Varangioi) - The Varangioi were the Varangian Guard, who were recruited from the Kieven Rus and later the Anglo-Saxons of England, many of whom fled to the Roman Empire after the Norman conquest of 1066. Not all Varangioi were in the Varangian Guard, many operated as professional soldiers who fought in the front line. Varangians had a full maile-hauberk, a one or two-handed bearded axe, and a large kite shield. http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6116/varangianguardfinalch6.jpg http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/52/varangianguardug1finaluo7.jpg Οπτιματοι (Optimatoi) - The Optimatoi were the elite cataphract corps stationed in the Thema Optimaton, the modern day provinces of Yalova/Kocaeli/Sakarya in Turkey. They were heavily armored versions of Καταφρακτοι (Kataphraktoi) called Κλιβανοφοροι (Klivanophoroi). The difference was that Kataphraktoi did not have an armored horse, while Klivanophoroi did, albeit both terms were interchangable. These men would have a partially or completely armored horse, and were armored head-to-toe in chainmail. They had a twohanded Kontos and a small shield affixed to their forearm. http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/2159/scholariifinal1ry3.jpg http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6936/scholariifinal2qc7.jpg http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/29/athanatoifinalik0.jpg Images taken from the Complete Byzantine Unit Roster Project. They have a few errors, but are a darn good start. These images are just ideas for units, and not to be copied.

Hey everyone, I thought I'd help out here. First, I need to know what Byzantine Era are we looking at? I'm thinking because your name is "1000 AD" we'd be talking the era of the Macedonian Emperors, and the height of the Thematic system. Also called the Byzantine Restoration. The symbol of the Empire, overall, seems to have still been the Roman Labarum, i.e. Chi-Rho. It was in a much different style of course, but I will hunt down some images for you guys. The Palaiologian Eagle and many of the other Heraldic symbols mentioned only date to the 13th century and onwards.

Well understandably I think that's for gameplay purposes, but the Trireme and Bireme models need to be replaced. I will make note of this and make sure it is fixed in VLTIMVS ROMANORVM

I'd like to see it so units remained in formation rather than broke up into a melee like Age of Empires.

Mesopotamia is a Roman province. Some of it is game limitations. And I can't argue with the Daylamig thing. I have to agree, it does have issues.

I've tried that, and it's the same error, but it doesn't fix the problem. I'll have to do the same thing I do with IBUR: copy the public folder and rename the original, and install the mod over the copy. EDIT: figured out the problem! Got it fixed. Iw as putting "-mod=xxx" inside the quotation marks when it needed to be outside.

I think it could coordinate well with seasons. Adding the Scythians would require the Corral building to work and seasons implemented, which is a lot of coding I'd bet.

It seems like what you're saying is that it would apply to every civilization, which I don't agree with, but it could make sense for the nomad faction. They can sit in one spot for a time and let their herds graze, and eventually get "overgrazing" and have to move on. IRL they usually moved between a summer and winter grazing ground.

Yeah, the Game starting mode is called Migration in 0AD. The faction nomad style of gameplay is different.

It won't allow me to edit the shortcut path. It says "Filepath 'G:/... -mod=legionnaires' is not valid."

Thanks again

That's what I was thinking, that borders worked differently. The corral would HAVE to work for the Scythians because all Steppe people relied on sheep for their livelihood. Here are some Scythian/Sarmatian toys of actual Carts found in the Crimea: These models of Pecheng Tents are similar to carts that Sarmatian and Hunnic families lived in: War carts attached to horses were 2 wheeled though, like Chariots but different. They were used to carry wood for rafts it is known. They could have a non-mobile unit called the Kurgan, which all steppe peoples used to bury their dead. I'd imagine it would have some sort of special purpose. Temple maybe?

Tu Gratiam everyone. I asked because I was not familiar with the game's script or anything, haven't modded anything outside of RTW or M2TW. Another question: Where is the Roman Barrack's .xml file? I hope I don't have to extract it from a DAT or something cause I don't have anything to extract it with (winRAR only works on RAR's AFAIK)

How would I make a unit currently not recruitable into one that is recruitable? Say I want to recruit the Imperial Legionnaires available int he Scenario editor actually in the game for example? Or the Thorakites/Theurophoros Units?

Thinking about this, then something like the Scythians would only have a limited range of buildings. I'd say it would make sense for them to be able to build buildings in any territory (like the Roman Camp and Siege walls). They would not have stone buildings. Everything would be wooden. Can probably take inspiration for the civil center from Attila's palace, which was a rectangular 1-story structure with 2 outbuildings and a palisade in a Gothic/Sarmatian style. However, you'd probably be best off balancing it between packable and unpackable buildings to represent the semi-sedentary lifestyle of the Scythian people. A plausible building list: Civil Center (Can Pack) House (It would be better to have a "Scythian Tent" unit) (Can Pack) Resource Building (Can Pack) Palisade (Cannot Pack) Fortress (Cannot Pack) Farm (Cannot Pack) Food Deposit Building (Can Pack) Barracks (Can Pack) Could probably create a "Wagon" unit specifically for their buildings. I have images of Sarmatian Wagons I can post.

AFAIK the names are actual persian rather than medieval and modern Persian which is Iranian influenced.

I would really like to see the Scythians and Sarmatians added to 0AD. They were an important part of the Black Sea military and culture. Otto Maenchen Helfen's "On the World of the Huns" is essential reading for understanding Nomad Culture and Psyche, and covers the Sarmatians a bit as well as the Huns.