LONGBOW Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 what time did they invent Longbows in wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Would_Say Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longbow the longbow was invented by the Wales in 633 AD killing Offwid, the son of Edward, king of Northumbria. The English used the longbow approximaltely 500 or so years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONGBOW Posted December 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 @##%^&*!%^# 133 YEARS AFTER PART 2 OF oAD ENDS! I can wait though.Edit: there were longbows in ancient times!(will celts have longbows in part 2?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wijitmaker Posted December 18, 2004 Report Share Posted December 18, 2004 Welsh as we know them really didn't didn't come about untill after 0 A.D.'s time period has ended. Welsh were formed as the 'barabarians' (Angles, Jutes, and Saxons) invaded. After the massive invasion, a series of wars (called the Anglo-Saxon Wars) and a plague, the celtic people on the british isle became a minority. When that happened, the celtic people were pushed to the western edges of the island and settled in the area of Wales and Cornwall. Interestingly the term "Welsh" means foreigner in Anglo-Saxon.Anyway, all of this didn't happen untill after 0 A.D.'s time period was over, and this includes the longbows also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Would_Say Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Yeah I'm pretty sure there are no longbows in 0AD period. But there are other bows, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argalius Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 I think the answer to that questions is very obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paal_101 Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Yep, off the top of my head there are:Persian recurved bowsGreek short bowsMauritainian bowsRoman recurved bowsParthian horn-sinew horse bowsand of course there is the greatest bow of the ancient worldTHE HUNNIC COMPOSITE RECURVED BOW!!! *bows repeatedly*Okay I just got myself banned there, but you get the point BTW y'all be sure to watch the History Channel on Jan 19 to see how the Huns use that thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Would_Say Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 I think the answer to that questions is very obvious.←Yeah I know - I was kidding Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titus Ultor Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Why is having longbows so important? o.o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paal_101 Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Longbows are really...... well, basic and against Hunnic compound bows the English archers would get badly whooped. Rest assured, there will be major archery action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONGBOW Posted December 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Longbows are really...... well, basic and against Hunnic compound bows the English archers would get badly whooped. Welsh longbowmen could hit targets 200yards away!(and pierce heavy armor) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argalius Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Yeah I know - I was kidding ←Oh ok, I didn't get the irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Would_Say Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 You know, longbows are the reason the English did so well against the French. For example, in the Hundred Years War, sure the French eventually beat the English, but I mean, they lost a lot more than England did. The French outnumbered the English pretty badly. Longbows were the "secret" of the English's success. Also, Agincourt, the English massacred the enemies guys (they were French, right... yeah it was the French... yeah...., correct me if I am wrong, but I think I'm right). Conclusion? Longbows pwn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titus Ultor Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I understand the historical significance of the longbow in context (Whoo AP European History!), but what I don't understand is why it's such a big deal that it's not going to be in the game. I guess it's just an obsession, or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paal_101 Posted December 23, 2004 Report Share Posted December 23, 2004 Well its mainly because it is a weapon of the Middle Ages and the ancients actually had better technology (including bows) than the English/French/Burgundians/etc. The Hunnic bow, if IRC could shoot 400 yards with specialized arrow, although the actual combat range of bows is much shorter. One book I have says that on horseback the effective range of a horse archer (despite skill) was only about 40 yards or so. Plus the longbow would not shoot 200 yards and still punch through armor, because war arrows are heavy and that shortens range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titus Ultor Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 And longbows weren't even too accurate unless in massive volleys, because it's sized required it to be shot upwards. If I'm not too mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paal_101 Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Plus none of the 0 AD civs used a longbow. Its a very Middle Ages weapon. And Celts would not use it because they found bows and ranged weapons cowardly to use. Javelins seemed to be exempt because you could get close with those, but strangely enough slings were super common Plus what bows they did have were definately not longbows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Giant Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 I think Greeks and Romans also considered fighting with bows to be cowardly...? (But that didn't keep the Romans from hiring bowmen auxiliaries, nor did it hinder them when developing their great siege engines). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paal_101 Posted December 24, 2004 Report Share Posted December 24, 2004 Yeah siege engines are big and macho so they don't count Where's the danger in operating a bow when you could be smashed to pulp by the backfiring of your onager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion_13 Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 how does an onager backfire? I suppose you mean landing on a large group of your own men.(I really hate when that happens in Rome total war) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paal_101 Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 By backfiring that means that the swinging arm flies forward then bounces backand hits the ground like this:1. __2. /3. |4. /5. __There are historical records of Roman soldiers being smashed into nothing because of malfunctions like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Giant Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Yeah siege engines are big and macho so they don't count Where's the danger in operating a bow when you could be smashed to pulp by the backfiring of your onager? ←Also, bows are generally only useful before the main battle commences - afterwards, you'll likely hurt more of your own men than of the enemy if you start firing into the dense mass down there (Rome portraits this in a great way - ever commanded a Archer Auxilia to fire while they were standing in the middle of another unit? No? Well, the better don't try, you won't want to see the result). Also, regarding onagers: That surely depends on what kind of ammunition you're using - if you use the standard Roman "the heavier the better" ammunition or even dead animal corpses (like the Romans did some times), nothing suprises me...Although I have to say that generally, the Roman siege engines were very accurate and did a lot more harm to the enemy than to their own men (see Flavius Josephus and his descriptions of the siege engines at Jerusalem). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paal_101 Posted December 25, 2004 Report Share Posted December 25, 2004 Definately, those scorpios and ballista were super accurate and powerful. Plus the chieroballistra was no boyscout toy either Guess what the Romans are getting in Part II? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titus Ultor Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Oh! Oh! I know! Lasers!No...Wait! I has to be...ponies with laser-shooting eyes that never miss, and can't melt walls! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paal_101 Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 You sure you don't think this is a Starcraft mod???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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