Why are slingers winning against javs here

[Determina]

60 Spearmen + 60 slingers vs 60 spearmen + 60 javs. Slinger team is briton civilization, jav team is romans. Why are slingers winning since they do less damage per second?

 

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[Deicide4u]

@Seleucids see, I told you that slingers are OP.

[Determina]

im not sniping btw, one can see that by looking at where the projectiles are landing
edit: and no javs are dying while melee are alive

Edited May 17, 2025 by Determina

[Atrik]

From your video, we can see that that javs are wasting time bumping into each others, while slingers continuously attack.
If you make the same test with both groups locked in formation, the outcome should be favorable to javs (because formation allow units the almost ignore hitboxs of other units in their formation, therefor no more bumping).

[Determina]

that worked thanks

[Seleucids]

@Determina @Deicide4u

The slings won because their range advantage allowed them to take a first hit at the jav team. At the end of the melee fight, the javs were running forward and having difficulty with pathfinding. This allowed the slings to take further free hits at them. However, with good micro, or if you place both teams at point-blank range, the javs will win. You can't nerf slings too much, otherwise javs are OP (A25). 

my approach would be a close order, charge straight in into point blank range, have a mixed fight. When all melees are used up, use skirmish formation on the javs. This will increase your opportunity. 

[Barcodes]

1 hour ago, Atrik said:

From your video, we can see that that javs are wasting time bumping into each others, while slingers continuously attack.
If you make the same test with both groups locked in formation, the outcome should be favorable to javs (because formation allow units the almost ignore hitboxs of other units in their formation, therefor no more bumping).

if you snipe with slingers you will win fight regardless

[Thomas Stewart]

They win cause they are faster shots. They might not do much damage but if you get a lot of them they're speed of attack compensates. They're pretty OP

[Determina]

Their stats say they attack at the same rate, the interval is 1.5 seconds for both.
    
Atrik's answer was right, when the skirmishers were in close order formation then they defeated the slinger team
edit: @Thomas Stewart

Edited May 19, 2025 by Determina