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  11. For a New Faction: Lusitanian.

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    4 hours ago, wackyserious said:

    @Genava55 @Ultimate Aurelian @TKogumelos

    Can someone provide a context behind this crest? I recreated it from the current Lusitanian art assets but I have no knowledge of its background (also don't mind it being placed on top of a Ciggaralejo helmet, this is just for testing purposes :) )

    012422 - Lusitanians.jpg
     

    Strabo.

    "At any rate, the Lusitanians, it is said, are given to laying ambush, given to spying out, are quick, nimble, and good at deploying troops. They have a small shield two feet in diameter, concave  p73 in front, and suspended from the shoulder by means of thongs (for it has neither arm-rings nor handles). Besides these shields they have a dirk or a butcher's-knife. Most of them wear linen cuirasses; a few wear chain-wrought cuirasses and helmets with three crests, but the rest wear helmets made of sinews. The foot-soldiers wear greaves also, and each soldier has several javelins; and some also make use of spears, and the spears have bronze heads. "

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  14. ===[COMMITTED]=== Iberian Unit Textures

    in Completed Art Tasks

    Posted · Edited by Genava55

    16 minutes ago, wackyserious said:

    Should I opt to name it as iber_helmet_cigarralejo? So no other variations other than different shades of iron.

    Yes, label it iber_helmet_cigarralejo it is better. This is a unique helmet in the current state, I would say it is better to not classify it as a montefortino.

    16 minutes ago, wackyserious said:

    To be clear this is a cigarralejo right?

    Yes. Although the straight neck guard is difficult to reproduce in low poly.

    16 minutes ago, wackyserious said:

    Are there supposed to be motif details for this or is this simply plain as it is?


    As I said this is a unique piece. There is no decoration visible and described.

     

    16 minutes ago, wackyserious said:

    Can this be crested or ornamented on the top or have cheek guards?

    Nor any crest or cheek guards.

    There is a kind of crest found at Cigarralejo but it doesn't match the helmet, it belongs to an organic helmet probably.

  15. ===[COMMITTED]=== Iberian Unit Textures

    in Completed Art Tasks

    Posted · Edited by Genava55

    1 hour ago, wackyserious said:

    Would this one do? @Genava55

    That's not bad but I think there is a misunderstanding I want to clarify.

    The typology of Montefortino helmets is a mess. Everybody call Montefortino a family of helmets that have very different features, conceptions and technology. This is due to a 19th legacy from early historians and it has spread everywhere.

    First of all, a helmet in bronze is always different from a helmet in iron. This is simply not the same technology and the same conception. They could cast bronze, because bronze can be easily molten. Not iron, at that time the only way to make an iron helmet is to forge it, hammering iron sheets and giving it the desired shape through a long processing.

    Finally, the Montefortino are made by various people. Romans, Etruscans, Celts, Phoenicians, Iberians and even Greeks at some point. It has a very long history and it has seen specific cultural development. The biggest difference is between the Celtic iron version and the Mediterranean version in bronze. Here's a link about the Roman Montefortino with several variants:

    https://www.res-bellica.com/en/montefortino-type-helmets-a-chronology/

    You should notice that the bottom and the neck guard are all straight:

    image.thumb.png.f69b1eb36683dc538f8402e87fb14d60.png

    While a Celtic Montefortino in iron is like this:

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/830685063242842123/924436856379179019/Fork_3.png

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/830685063242842123/924436857369010226/Fork_all2.jpg

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/830685063242842123/924436857901703188/Fork_beautiful.jpg

     

    As you should see now, this is really two different helmets. The iron helmet made by the Celts has a neck guard going down, because it is a separated piece riveted to the bell. While in the bronze helmet made by the Romans, the neck guard and the bell are made of a single piece.

    Those examples are simply to show you the most different features. Some Celtic helmets in iron don't have neck guard going down like this. There is even some Celtic Montefortino made in bronze. Those examples are simply the extreme cases to help you picture it.

    But generally bronze Montefortino have this straight line. It has changed only at the very end of the Republican period (1st c. BC) when the Buggenum variant started to appear:

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    So back to the Iberian bronze Montefortino, it has clearly the same straight line feature:

    image.png.57a18a3f721beff56e983d3177fbdf50.png

    The case of the iron helmet from Cigarralejo is bothering. Quesada-Sanz calls it a Celtic type, and it has been found in a purely Iberian context in south-east Spain:

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    However, I think this is a case of unintelligence due to the horrible mess constituting the Montefortino typology. This is not a Montefortino. Quesada-Sanz is mistaken and the only one having a clear mind on this one is Garcia-Jimenez. He has questioned the classification of this helmet as Montefortino and see similarity with the older Bockweiler type that has been found in Hallstatt.

    Cigarralejo has no tip, it has a straight line at the bottom and it is made in iron. There is not a single comparable evidence from a Montefortino helmet. If it is a Celtic type, then the tip is missing. Which is possible because Garcia-Jimenez mentioned that the helmet has been poorly restored.

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  17. What happened to the cheat to place down units?

    in General Discussion

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    5 hours ago, GeneralKong said:

    I am pretty sure I am not mis-remembering, but I remember being able to starting up a normal match against AI and also being able to either using a cheat code or a key combination to bring up a window that had all the units in the game there, where you could click on one and place it like you can in the editor, was this removed? or are my memories playing tricks on me?

    I think you can launch a game from the editor too. Maybe that?

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  20. Progress Sheet: Heroes

    in Delenda Est

    Posted

    2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    <Reserved for Lusitanians>

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punicus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucenus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesarus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautalus

      

    On 31/12/2021 at 4:52 AM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    Looking for ideas for a 4th Iberian hero

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olyndicus

    https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retógenes_el_Caraunio (it is in Spanish but it is really a valid candidate)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanginus

    Chalbus of the Tartesii:

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    Livy 23.26: These deserters had started an agitation amongst the tribe of the Tartesii and had induced several cities to revolt, and one they had actually taken by storm. The war was now diverted from the Romans to this tribe, and Hasdrubal entered their territories with an invading army. Chalbus, a distinguished general amongst them, was encamped with a strong force before the walls of a city which he had captured a few days before, and Hasdrubal determined to attack him. He sent forward skirmishers to draw the enemy into an engagement and told off a part of his cavalry to lay waste the surrounding country and pick up stragglers. There was confusion in the camp and panic and bloodshed in the fields, but when they had regained the camp from all directions their fears so suddenly left them that they became emboldened, not only to defend their camp, but even to take the aggressive against the enemy. They burst in a body out of their camp, executing war dances after their manner, and this unexpected daring on their part carried terror into the hearts of the enemy, who had shortly before been challenging them. Hasdrubal thereupon withdrew his force to a fairly lofty hill, which was also protected by a river which served as a barrier. He retired his skirmishers and his scattered cavalry also to this same position. Not, however, feeling sufficiently protected by either hill or river he strongly entrenched himself. Several skirmishes took place between the two sides who were alternately frightening and fearing each other, and the Numidian trooper proved to be no match for the Spaniard, nor were the darts of the Moor very effective against the ox-hide shields of the natives, who were quite as rapid in their movements and possessed more strength and courage.

     

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  23. ===[COMMITTED]=== Iberian Unit Textures

    in Completed Art Tasks

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    For who? I think there many depictions of the cardiophylax still in use by the Romans, but I am not sure about what primary sources there are. There's the famous triple-disk cardiophylax found in North Africa (?).

    For the Romans they definitely are using it during the Punic Wars, Polybius mentioned it explicitly. But for the Iberians and Celtiberians, according to the articles above, the evidence for breastplates seems to stop both in the archaeological records and artistic depictions at the beginning of the 3rd c. BC.

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