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  2. ===[TASK]=== Crowd Sourced - Thracians (Faction)

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    30 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

    Rural architecture from Bulgaria

    Something is bothering me with this method. Both Bulgaria and Romania speak a different language, unrelated to the Dacians and Thracians. I don't see why they should have conserved the architecture of their distant and unrelated ancestors. This is like using rural architecture of England and France for the Britons and Gauls.

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  3. ===[TASK]=== Crowd Sourced - Thracians (Faction)

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    6 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

    What kind of Celts lived to the east?

    The Gauls is associated to the culture of La Tène which extent to the Carpathian mountains. In Transylvania, the Celts were established up to 200/180 BC according to the archaeological records. It was probably people from the Taurisci confederacy. There are also the Anartes and Cotini in modern day Slovakia. In modern day Serbia, the Scordisci were the main people established there. In Thrace, the kingdom of Tylis emerged with the invasion of the Galatians and disappear around 200 BC due to the wars with Thracians. Finally there are the Bastarnae and the Britolagi mentioned in Romania and Moldavia. The Britolagi are probably a Celtic people who migrated in Northern Romania. The Bastarnae are probably a Germanic people who migrated from Poland to Moldavia.

    What is represented on the illustrations of Radu Oltean are not proper Celts. After 180 BC, there are some interesting warrior burials emerging in the region of the iron gates (north-eastern Bulgaria) and in Transylvania. Those burials are mixing elements from Thracian tradition and from Celtic tradition. Notably the weapons are exclusively Celtic. This people is not very understood. They are known exclusively from those warrior burials. There are several theories about them, either they represent the Minor Scordisci, a branch of the Scordisci mentioned in late sources, the Triballi, or the Dacians. The Romanian historians generally think those people are the birth of the Dacian aristocracy. Radu Oltean represented them as such.

    38 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

    Thracian culture is somewhat removed from the Greek, but not quite.

    @wowgetoffyourcellphone would like to have both the Dacians and the Thracians. So I think it would be best to distinguish evidences from the Dacian period from those related to the Thracian period. 

    I have put evidences from archaeological sites with proper description. 

    Seuthopolis, Sboryanovo, Sinemorets, Pistiros and Kozi Gramadi should be enough. Did you investigate those?

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  6. Assassin's Creed: Odyssey & Titan Quest -- Art Inspiration Thread

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    19 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    I really like the frescoes, but I'm not sure if we have food examples of Thracian artwork @Genava55 which cam serve that purpose (wall decoration). Beyond the frescoes, I like the other elements too.

    Finding a preserved wall is extremely rare but such frescoes exist inside the Thracian tombs:

    Helvetia tomb, near Shipka in Bulgaria and  Maglizh tomb in Stara Zagora, Bulgaria

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    Thracian tomb of Kazanlak

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    Thracian tomb of Aleksandrovo

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  7. ===[TASK]=== Crowd Sourced - Thracians (Faction)

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  8. ===[TASK]=== Crowd Sourced - Thracians (Faction)

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    Posted · Edited by Genava55

    Again, some pictures I already posted in the past:

    On 08/06/2021 at 6:39 AM, Genava55 said:

    Royal tombs (possible civic center or temple):
     

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    Tumulus and Telos like tombs:

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    General scheme of Greek tholos tomb:

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    Edit: pictures I just posted in the AC Odyssey thread

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    1 hour ago, Genava55 said:

    Helvetia tomb, near Shipka in Bulgaria and  Maglizh tomb in Stara Zagora, Bulgaria

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    Thracian tomb of Kazanlak

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    Thracian tomb of Aleksandrovo

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    Svesthari tomb

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  9. ===[TASK]=== Crowd Sourced - Thracians (Faction)

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    On 15/09/2019 at 4:59 PM, Genava55 said:

    Sboryanovo:

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    On 05/08/2019 at 2:38 PM, Genava55 said:

    Sinemorets

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    On 05/08/2019 at 2:38 PM, Genava55 said:

    Pistiros - Adjiyska Vodenitsa
     

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    On 05/08/2019 at 2:38 PM, Genava55 said:

    Seuthopolis

    "Seuthopolis provides a good example of a manifest regularity, repeated in many settlements that become prominent political centers and seats of members of the high aristocracy; developed quickly, often without continuity with earlier settlements in the same locality, within a short time they become central in the settlement hierarchy. Many such sites, however, lose their importance equally quickly or come to an end, as their livelihood was evidently closely bound to that of their founders and the political structures created by them. The duration of settlement occupation at Vasil Levski, Krastevich, Seuthopolis, and Sboryanovo was brief, ranging from a few decades to slightly more than a century. In the last decade, in fact, the issue of whether or not some of the settlement forms widely distributed throughout Thrace ca. second half of the 1st millennium bce were in fact royal residences has undergone an important development. Various ancient authors mention fortified small places, “thyrseis,” that have been interpreted by modern scholars as towers or residences which served as “permanent homes of the Thracian aristocracy” or a “typical kernel of urbanization in Thracian settlement life” (Fol 1970, 166–168, with summary of the ancient sources). For a long time, this specific element of the Thracian settlement structure has had no convincing archaeological counterpart or, alternatively, the architectural complex excavated on the shores of Mandrensko Lake near Burgas was cited as a unique example (Dimitrov 1958; Balabanov 1984). The recent discovery of the residences near Kozi Gramadi (Khristov 2011, and earlier publications cited), Smilovene (Agre and Dichev 2010а, 214–217), Sinemorets (Agre and Dichev 2010b, 217–219), and Knyazhevo (Agre and Dichev 2013, 143–145) have revised this picture and confirmed the ancient sources. These compact architectural complexes are characterized by monumental architecture and often fortification; Knyazhevo is at present the only exception. On the other hand, the investigations at Sinemorets demonstrate that this settlement form, specific to Thrace, was in use not only in the heyday of early Thracian states, between the fifth and the first half of the third century bce, but also during the later stages of the Hellenistic period. [...]

    Undoubtedly the most prominent manifestation of centralization processes and stratification in the settlement system of Thrace arrives with the emergence of political capitals – the leading urban centers of various Thracian political formations. If southern Thrace has yielded the example of Seuthopolis, for northeastern Thrace such a role is played by the Getic city research has enabled some investigators to identify the Thracian settlement in Sboryanovo with Helis, the capital of the Getic ruler Dromichaetes – a political opponent of Lysimachus (Delev 1990; Stoyanov 2000b; Stoyanov in press, cf. Chapter 5). The image that the city boasted during the end of the fourth and the beginning of the third century bce corresponds to its leading position within the strong Getic state developed on both sides of Danube. In the fortified area of the settlement both residential and artisanal neighborhoods existed. Recent archaeological data show that, in the southwestern part of the fortified section of the city, the remains of a basileia – an internal quarter in which the ruling aristocratic elite resided (Stoyanov in press) – can be identified. Numerous residential neighborhoods and other urban areas of commercial and manufacturing character were located outside the city walls, with the total area of the city exceeding 30 ha. Archaeology shows that the city was destroyed by an earthquake in the middle of the third century bce. Attempts to resurrect it failed to restore its previous role. The site at Sboryanovo does not seem to have followed in its development the main trends outlined on the basis of the settlements of higher rank located in southern Thrace. The site’s excavator rightly notes that, in its development of the individual elements of its urban character, architectural forms, and construction techniques, the settlement diverges from the rules of Greek and Hellenistic architectural features, which had been directly imported in some centers south of Stara Planina, but rather shows a regional variation of local development (Stoyanov 2006; Stoyanov in press)."

    On 07/08/2019 at 3:05 PM, Genava55 said:

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    On 04/07/2017 at 4:06 PM, Sundiata said:

    Some quick image references for Seuthopolis, the Thracian capital under the Odrysian Kingdom. Although heavily influenced by Greece, it still had a recognizably Thracian culture and heritage. The ordinary people lived outside of the walls of this administrative center, full of official buildings. 

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    Definitely, there was a lot of Hellenization in Thrace, especially the Odryssian Kingdom, but I don't feel like going full Hellenistic is the right choice. It's my impression that outside of a few royal centres, Hellenistic modes of living weren't as pervasive as you'd expect from truly Hellenistic states. Hellenistic influence seems to be much more of an elite thing, hence it's relevance for elite structures, but Thracians weren't highly urbanized and these Hellenistic style displays of wealth and power probably aren't representative for all of Thrace. So I'd propose of mix of rural Thracian style (lots of wood) for non-elite structures, and Hellenistic influence in elite structures. 

    => all civilizations in 0 A.D. are designed according to their best and most magnificent settlements. Not the regular and average ones. For example, the Persians are designing according to the buildings of their most important cities, which does not represent the majority of the settlement the population of their empire lived in.

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  12. Assassin's Creed: Odyssey & Titan Quest -- Art Inspiration Thread

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    1 minute ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

    I like those ideas for the Thracians, Greek-style wooden temples.

    Although they didn't have been found among Thracians. In my opinion, the major issue is due to the Thracians princes (Odrysians, Bessi, Getae etc.) who lived in fortified towns with stone-cutting walls and were buried in Greek-style tomb with stone-cutting structures. I will insist because for me the Thracians must have a design with more stones. I would better understand a wood-based design for the Dacians.

  14. Exploit found: seeing enemy stats while paused

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    38 minutes ago, Silier said:

    Unless whole mp will be overwritten so noone computes and holds all info about entities of every player, this will continue to be an issue no matter how much security fixes will be done, the data will be always available for the experienced JavaScript programmer to obtain.

    There is a huge gap in the required skill between simulating a disconnection and extracting compiled information from JS

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  16. ===[TASK]=== Crowd Sourced - Thracians (Faction)

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    It would be nice to have a Thracian tumulus tomb as a special building.

    It wouldn't be difficult to make. This is basically an earth tumulus with a few structures around. The easiest is to do a monumental gate with a greek column at the entrance and an outer wall.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracian_tomb_Shushmanets#/media/File:Shushmanets3.jpg

    https://360image.net/product/thracian-tomb-shushmanets-bulgaria-3-5/

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    (Thracian tomb from Starosel)

    The conception of a Thracian tomb is very similar to Macedonian ones. Therefore, if it is too difficult to understand how a Thracian tomb works without an illustration, I suggest to check how the Macedonian ones were since they are more popular and more covered by the medias.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergina#/media/File:Makieta_grobowca_Filipa.jpg

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergina#/media/File:Facade_of_Philip_II_tomb_Vergina_Greece.jpg

    http://www.amfipolis.com/amphipolis-tomb/

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  17. ===[TASK]=== Crowd Sourced - Thracians (Faction)

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    A few interesting references:

     

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  19. Germans [Cimbri]redesign for TM

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    Posted · Edited by Genava55

    2 hours ago, Stan` said:

    Correct. But to be fair the Han were "only a civ for a mod" too. So maybe in the future.

    Yeah, probably same mechanics, different civs.

    Thanks. If I am asking you a few questions, this is simply to understand what's going on in a longer term perspective.

    I also think it's worth remembering that the Germans have a long and turbulent history.

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    They appeared in history with the Cimbri and the Bastarnae during the second century BC, for the first they were a migration of a vast population in search of a new territory which involved other peoples and chiefs in its wake, probably in a way quite similar to the Celtic migrations into Italy and Greece. The latter were probably a conglomeration of populations, also on the run, but who settled fairly quickly in Moldavia and near the Danube Delta. A little later in the 1st century BC, it was the Germans of the Elbe region who united under a powerful leader and began to take control of different territories. This leads to upheavals in neighboring regions. The Sequani seek the aid of the Suebi against the Aedui supported by Rome. We see peoples like the Ubians, the Tencteri and the Usipetes confront each other and try to migrate to Gaul. The Helvetii attempted the same approach in order to avoid upheaval and looting. This first period is therefore characterized by different migration attempts on the part of the Germans. The Cimbri failed for different reasons. They had some success, notably by plundering Illyria, the Noric kingdom and Transalpine Gaul under Roman control. However, they are repulsed by the Scordisci, by the Boians, by the Belgians and by the Celtiberians. Even when they defeat the Norici, they do not settle there. On the contrary, each victory excites them and encourages them to continue. During their plunder, they attracted the lust of other peoples and this is probably how the Teutones, Ambrones, Tigurini (Helvetians), Toygeni (Helvetians) and Volcae Tectosages end up joining them. The first successes against the Romans are annihilated by the defeats that Marius inflicts on them. Concerning Ariovistus, he succeeded in installing part of his population, the Harudes, on the territory of the Sequani. The rest of the Suevi coalition settled near the Rhine, including the Triboci, the Nemetes, the Vangions and the Marcomanni. These took territories from the Celts, probably shortly before the Gallic Wars. However Ariovistus is defeated by Caesar and the Harudes were expelled. The success of this migration is partial, but it foreshadows the geopolitical context to come. The Germanic populations monopolized a territory between the Rhine and the Elbe, which will become a part of Germania. The only people who had a total success are the Bastarnae who permanently occupied the territory located in Moldavia. They lived here for over 500 years.

    In a second time, the Germanic migrations calm down. At least, they no longer concern the Greco-Roman world. The Germans have a complicated relationship with their Roman neighbors, they very often receive diplomatic gifts intended to calm their ambition, they regularly serve the armies of Rome and most clashes with the Romans are mainly on the territory of the Germans and are defensive wars (for them). The Germanic world was mainly turned in on itself at that time. During this period, the Suevi (and other Elbe Germans) played a minor role in history. They underwent the campaign of Drusus and it is probable that the Suevi and the Marcomanni left the region near the Rhine following this campaign. From that moment on, the Suevi are either allies or client kingdoms of the Romans. It was other peoples who faced Rome, notably the Cherusci, Bructeri, Marsi, Sicambri, Chauci, Chatti and Batavi. Eventually the Elbe Germans again became an interest only with the Marcomannic Wars (AD 166–180).

    During the period of migrations, the most active Germanic peoples are the Goths and by far. They are the most powerful and successful people. Then come the Franks and the Alamanni. The former are Germans from the Rhine, the latter are Germans from the Elbe. The Franks and Alamanni tried to plunder the Roman Empire several times and to settle there during the 3rd and 4th centuries, but they were successful only during the beginning of the 5th century. There are also the Saxons, known for their invasion of Britannia, but most of their interesting history happened after the 5th century, so they are probably not considered for Empires Besieged. The Vandals can be considered as close to the Goths, as they are Eastern Germans too, nonetheless they are a powerful and successful people during the 5th century.

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    So it should be considered there are other Germanic people famous and probably future candidates. I have no doubt that the Goths will be considered, this is already the case in DE.

    Cimbri, Suebi and Goths... this is already 3 civs.

    It is a problem quite similar to the Greek city-states and to the Hellenistic kingdoms. If you start looking, there are interesting candidates (Syracuse, Thebes, Corinth, Pergamon, Bithynia, Pontus, Bosphorus, Bactria etc.)

  20. Germans [Cimbri]redesign for TM

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    33 minutes ago, Stan` said:

    My idea is to have the Cimbri for Terra Magna, which is (or at least should be) covering the same period as Empires Ascendant, so -500 B.C. 1 A.D.

    So if I understand your message correctly, the Cimbri won't be a part of the main game (Empires Ascendant), only a civ for a mod. Right?

    Edit: so it is better to keep the changes to the minimum from the original Suebi

    33 minutes ago, Stan` said:

    And have the Suebi for Empires Besieged the "sequel" to the game

    El famoso sequel... in the end it won't be a different game but an extension of the current Empires Ascendant right? So all the factions from Empires Besieged would be available alongside those from Empires Ascendant, right?

  21. Germans [Cimbri]redesign for TM

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    1 minute ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    I have no idea what @Yekaterina is talking about; we're not implementing any German faction for next alpha in the main game. The community poll and momentum is clearly for Nomads (Scythians and Xiongnu) to be included next in the main game (largely for the unique gameplay possibilities). The discussion around Germans over the past few weeks has largely been around fixing/adding them for TM and DE until that comment.

    1 minute ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    What is your contention with this comment? 

    Then why this thread? Why all this debate about the Cimbri?

    Is this what you want?

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  22. Germans [Cimbri]redesign for TM

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    1 minute ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    The Germans we've been discussing are for Terra Magna and Delenda Est. :)

    Then could you explain to me this :

    On 22/02/2023 at 5:49 PM, Yekaterina said:

    If you want to steal templates from Millenium AD, fine... I will just copy and rename them.

    Right now the Suebs are also stealing from the Gauls, Carolignians

    Which civ out of terra magna has the highest priority? THey are all bugged to some extent but some more than others. we should focus on the one that we would like to implement in the next alpha. 

     

     

    On 22/02/2023 at 5:59 PM, Stan` said:

    Suebians and Imperial Romans should be empires_besieged;

    Suebians are too lat ine the period to be included in the main game.

     

  25. Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)

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    5 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

    Can any of these be used for Cimbri?

    I think yes. The only thing bothering is the circular iron shield boss. This is something that appeared among the Przeworsk culture in modern day Poland, not in Denmark... At least until the Roman era. 

    I don't know if we should restrict the evidences to material found in Jutland or not.

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