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    ===[TASK]=== Celtic British Roster (Britons)

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    Cassius Dio, Roman History, Book 5, Chapter 62: "All this I [Boudicca] say, not with the purpose of inspiring you with a hatred of present conditions, — that hatred you already have, — nor with fear for the future, — that fear you already have, — but of commending you because you now of our own accord choose the requisite course of action, and of thanking you for so readily co-operating with me and with each other. 2 Have no fear whatever of the Romans; for they are superior to us neither in numbers nor in bravery. And here is the proof: they have protected themselves with helmets and breastplates and greaves and yet further provided themselves with palisades and walls and trenches to make sure of suffering no harm by an incursion of their enemies. For they are influenced by their fears when they adopt this kind of fighting in preference to the plan we follow of rough and ready action. 3 Indeed, we enjoy such a surplus of bravery, that we regard our tents as safer than their walls and our shields as affording greater protection than their whole suits of mail. As a consequence, we when victorious capture them, and when overpowered elude them; and if we ever choose to retreat anywhere, we conceal ourselves in swamps and mountains so inaccessible that we can be neither discovered or taken. 4 Our opponents, however, can neither pursue anybody, by reason of their heavy armour, nor yet flee; and if they ever do slip away from us, they take refuge in certain appointed spots, where they shut themselves up as in a trap. 5 But these are not the only respects in which they are vastly inferior to us: there is also the fact that they cannot bear up under hunger, thirst, cold, or heat, as we can. They require shade and covering, they require kneaded bread and wine and oil, and if any of these things fails them, they perish; for us, on the other hand, any grass or root serves as bread, the juice of any plant as oil, any water as wine, any tree as a house. 6 Furthermore, this region is familiar to us and is our ally, but to them it is unknown and hostile. As for the rivers, we swim them naked, whereas they do not across them easily even with boats. Let us, therefore, go against them trusting boldly to good fortune. Let us show them that they are hares and foxes trying to rule over dogs and wolves."

     

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    "… the Britons are unprotected by armour (?). There are very many cavalry. The cavalry do not use swords nor do the wretched Britons mount in order to throw javelins."

    Found in Vindolanda, probably a Roman soldier describing the Caledonians.

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    ===[TASK]=== Current issues with Celtic units and guideline for the next

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    Cassius Dio, Roman History, Book 5, Chapter 62: "All this I [Boudicca] say, not with the purpose of inspiring you with a hatred of present conditions, — that hatred you already have, — nor with fear for the future, — that fear you already have, — but of commending you because you now of our own accord choose the requisite course of action, and of thanking you for so readily co-operating with me and with each other. 2 Have no fear whatever of the Romans; for they are superior to us neither in numbers nor in bravery. And here is the proof: they have protected themselves with helmets and breastplates and greaves and yet further provided themselves with palisades and walls and trenches to make sure of suffering no harm by an incursion of their enemies. For they are influenced by their fears when they adopt this kind of fighting in preference to the plan we follow of rough and ready action. 3 Indeed, we enjoy such a surplus of bravery, that we regard our tents as safer than their walls and our shields as affording greater protection than their whole suits of mail. As a consequence, we when victorious capture them, and when overpowered elude them; and if we ever choose to retreat anywhere, we conceal ourselves in swamps and mountains so inaccessible that we can be neither discovered or taken. 4 Our opponents, however, can neither pursue anybody, by reason of their heavy armour, nor yet flee; and if they ever do slip away from us, they take refuge in certain appointed spots, where they shut themselves up as in a trap. 5 But these are not the only respects in which they are vastly inferior to us: there is also the fact that they cannot bear up under hunger, thirst, cold, or heat, as we can. They require shade and covering, they require kneaded bread and wine and oil, and if any of these things fails them, they perish; for us, on the other hand, any grass or root serves as bread, the juice of any plant as oil, any water as wine, any tree as a house. 6 Furthermore, this region is familiar to us and is our ally, but to them it is unknown and hostile. As for the rivers, we swim them naked, whereas they do not across them easily even with boats. Let us, therefore, go against them trusting boldly to good fortune. Let us show them that they are hares and foxes trying to rule over dogs and wolves."

     

    https://romaninscriptionsofbritain.org/inscriptions/TabVindol164

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    "… the Britons are unprotected by armour (?). There are very many cavalry. The cavalry do not use swords nor do the wretched Britons mount in order to throw javelins."

    Found in Vindolanda, probably a Roman soldier describing the Caledonians.

    Why does Sparta have a theater

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    20 hours ago, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said:

    Let's perhaps reframe it this way.  It goes without saying that philosophy was extremely important in Athens, so in a hypothetical world, let's say that an academy building is introduced to represent that.  Ah, but Aristotle mentored Alexander the Great, so surely Academies should be buildable for them also.  I am not doubting the fact that Macedonians built theatres, in fact the models used to represent theatres are entirely unlike the hillside amphitheatres Athenians would have sat at to watch a play of Sophocles.  The point I am contending is that theatres are not core to Macedonian identity, and in a game in which Hellenic/Hellenistic factions are ubiquitous, giving these factions differentiation is helpful.

    Indeed, if the Romans don't have theatres in game, the Macedonians, Seleucids and Ptolemies should not. It should be limited to Athenians.

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    Archaeological potpourri

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    4 minutes ago, Gurken Khan said:

    Assuming this doesn't point to intercontinental trade of the North American natives in the 1400s, there were tons of Ming dynasty coins just lying around and used as a commodity?

    I think that most of the coins are from the Qing dynasty, only a few from the Ming. But yeah the Yongle coins were used massively for foreign trades so it was mostly used by foreign merchants:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongle_Tongbao

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    Archaeological potpourri

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    https://twitter.com/Yellowriver478/status/1666579698405740545

    The coin armour of the North American natives, belonging to the Tlingit people of the Yukon. Most of the coins used is from the Qing dynasty, ranging from the Shunzhi to Xianfeng periods, while the earliest is from Yongle period (1403-1424) of the Ming...
    and those of the Kangxi and Qianlong emperors being the most popular. These copper coins may have been obtained from trade with Chinese or Russian merchants. The Tlingit had used such coin armour to make Russians' smoothbore muskets powerless.

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    Archaeological potpourri

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    https://twitter.com/HeraklesCithare/status/1666706504647319553

    Illustration : Massimiliano Pezzolini

    Heart of the sanctuary of Asklepios superbly illustrated by Massimiliano Pezzolini. Pilgrims went there hoping to find healing through the power of incubation, i.e. through dreams, but the sanctuary also attracted the best doctors in Greece.

    The marble tholos, erected in the middle of the 4th c. av. probably housed the serpents of Asklepios, healing animals of the god of medicine. The Doric temple includes an internal gallery with Corinthian capitals and a coffered dome.

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    This was the heart of the sanctuary, which extended over a colossal surface and presented monuments as varied as they were numerous: Propylon, Katagogeion (hotel for pilgrims with 160 rooms), Hestiatorion (catering for pilgrims), gymnasium, stadium, theater ... But also baths, an altar to Apollo (the father of Asklépios), a temple to Aphrodite.

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    New Civ for Alpha 28+ (extended discussion)

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    New Civ for Alpha 28+ (extended discussion)

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    2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    Scythians built fortresses, specifically the Crimean Scythians. They have a fortress in DE. Xiongnu might have built rammed earth fortresses (still need research on that).

    Obviously, it is easier to portray the nomads with the same mechanics than the other civs. I think being innovative here is an overshoot.

    2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    Cimbri in EA, Suebians in DE

    Suebians are better. Cimbri are less interesting and less known.

    If we say that Suebians are related to the Jastorf culture, then they are already appearing around 600 BC in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.

    2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

    They had the lowest number of votes in the last poll, tied with Thebans.

    But now they have some proto-buildings. People couldn't picture the civ.

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    Civ: Scythians

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    Alpha 27 - Roman Fasces might be interpreted as a fascist symbol

    in Game Development & Technical Discussion

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    51 minutes ago, causative said:

    The Canton of St. Gallen formed in modern times (1803) so its coat of arms may be modern as well.

    Yes, the coat of arms has no connection with a previous symbol. It is due to the modernisation of Switzerland and the fall of the Helvetic Republic made by Napoléon. The author of the coat of arms wanted to make a direct reference to the republic system. A small anecdote, during the WWII they modified the coat of arms to add a swiss cross to distinguish it from the fascist symbol, they removed the cross in 1951 when it was not necessary anymore.

    The "Alpha" label is scaring off new users from trying the game

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    4 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

    Where should we plan for the future?

    I don't know. The development of new civs has nothing to do with the core development of the game. Stan said that multiple times. It is not the same people working on those.

    From what I understand, the biggest issues pending are related to the core of the code. Is there a list of the remaining jalons before Beta?

    Archaeological potpourri

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    The breastplate made of precious metals was discovered during the archaeological research of the "Tsvyatkova" burial mound, the "Kosmatka" necropolis in the Shipka - Sheinove lands, in the valley of the Thracian kings.
    The gorgeret is made of different elements and materials. The base is a massive, moon-shaped iron collar covering the chest, shoulders and back. An embossed silver plate with solid gilding and exquisite decoration completely covers the iron base.
    The restored item belongs to the group of so-called "Mezek" breastplates, common in Thrace in the second half of the IV century BC.
    The breastplate is part of the rich gold and silver grave offerings found in the barrow. The decorated breastplate belongs to the protective ceremonial weapons. Its discovery, together with numerous arrowheads, spears, knives, a horse skeleton, numerous ornaments of horse harness, silver fragments and other decorated objects, suggests that it belonged to a noble person.

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