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Genava55
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12 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Citizen Soldiers are a real double-edged sword for this game.
Because historically the main force was the heavy infantry and there was no hard counter against it.
Harassing with ranging units like did Iphicrates at Lechaeum or like did Surena at Carrhea was quite difficult and long. Very inefficient process, taking far longer than a normal engagement. This is basically what every players are trying to do in AoE games by micromanaging their ranged units. It is working besides the hard counter system.
In ancient times, the cavalry and the ranged troops were generally used against their opposite to gain the upper hand and to support their own infantry. To win a battle, the most important was to route the enemy's infantry by crushing its morale, but it generally happens when they are in close combat. Cavalry and light troops are rarely enough by themselves.
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58 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
this pillar should be what defines the game.
Spearman vs spear cavalry vs skirmisher/archer.
With these 3 counter is enough.
From a general perspective, every civ/faction/culture could have at least those:
Even if we currently don't give to every civ bowmen and swordsmen, in reality there are evidences for swords and bows in every cultures.
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On 16/03/2023 at 10:28 AM, Duileoga said:
Qué opinan
Very nice! Well done. It looks really unique. I like your main texture, the inspiration from the tomb is a good idea.
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26 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Lol true. I was mainly referring to unit types though.
It is better to have a good diversity and a better accuracy in total war games.
Edit: this is what the players want and it is better to balance the factions.
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2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
They just threw everything in there huh? Lol
yeah, the threshold of 100 factions will be crossed before summer I think lol
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On 06/03/2023 at 1:13 PM, MardukAmmon said:
Hi! I am graduated in ancient history and I have suggestion for a dark age mod for 0 a.d.
First the ideal mod going do the mid VII bc till the end of VI bc.
for the forge I suggest the brit forge for phase I and spartan forge for the Phase III and the same for the barracks for the mounted units.
I don't want to create new assed but use the already created assets that are used in this game!
I can't do by my self, it is only a suggestion for depict an ancient moment of greek history
Civil centre, I used for the first phase the brit civil centre because during the iron age greek used wood houses and palace, but in the beginning of the VI they start to use stone and clay roof. So I chose brit civil centre in the phase I and spartan syssition in the III phase.
For the temple i used the same theory, I chose for the phase I the gaul civil centre because resamble the shape of the famous Argos's first temple made by woods, for the Phase III I chose the spartan temple because has the shape of archaic stone greek temple.
For the defense walls I chose for the phase I the brits wals and for the phase II the kushite, and fort the phase III I suggest the use of spartan defense walls and dors.
For the house I suggest for the phase I the brit house, Phase II iberian and Phase III spartan
For the noble heavy unit i suggest this units. The noble spears used corinthian helmet form champion spearmens spartan, illyrian helmet from spartan sword man, and helmet form middle level spartan hoplite. For the shield they use spartan champion shield, champion swordman shield and macedon champion shield, I think that shield of the lambda (middle level spartan) is anachronistic for archaic greece .
For the leavy spearman i suggest the spartan javellin skin with iphicrates pelt shield
For the Chivalry I suggest for skirmish unit the spartan javellin on a horse, and for mele I suggest noble spears on a horseback like founded on Archaic bronze noble statues
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1 hour ago, Stan` said:
Yep. It could be used as inspiration. Although those references are mostly from the Dacian period.
By the way, I was a bit harsh by saying this is ugly. I find the models too generic and too blend. It is unmemorable and unremarkable, it doesn't make a visual impact. But the models by themselves aren't bad.
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On 31/08/2017 at 12:21 AM, Sundiata said:
This guy actually used 0AD music, as the soundtrack for his airial shots of the ruins of Kabyle, one of Thrace's most important cities. Although I don't know what time-period these ruins date from.
I missed this video. Thanks.
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@wowgetoffyourcellphone an idea I have for the Royal Tomb, whenever the Thracian player loses a hero in battle they can build a royal tomb. The building would provide a significant bonus.
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On 02/03/2023 at 5:10 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
How much does this look like how it originally did?
I added the tumuli complex from Starosel, with more illustrations.
Btw, I mentionned previously the connection with Macedonian tombs which are interesting references we can get inspiration from.
On 02/03/2023 at 10:57 AM, Genava55 said:Kozi Gramadi, residence of a Thracian prince, 5th-4th century BC, next to a sanctuary of the 8th-4th century BC and with a temple dedicated to Zeus and Hera added in the 4th century BC:
By the way guys, I have a great news for you, there is an evidence for wooden columns in Kozi Gramadi.
@Duileoga see my message above with the compilation from Kozi Gramadi
I don't think it would work for a temple entire in wood but at least it can help to mix stones and wood.
It is still important to have mostly visual based on stones. Maybe something like those for the houses?
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By the way, this is the Thracian Tomb at Pomorie:
http://www.daytripsbulgaria.com/excursion/218/Pomorie--The-Thracian-Tomb
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I believe you have enough evidences for Hellenistic influence with the compilation above, from my previous message. Those 5 sites have different context and situation.
I think that Civic Center, fortress, barracks, temple and wonder should be inspired by those Hellenistic influenced buildings.
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Some Hellenic building currently:
SpoilerHellenic civic centers:
Macedonian houses:
Macedonian farms:
Macedonian temples:
Macedonian barracks:
Spartan houses:
Spartan farms:
Spartan temple:
Spartan barracks:
Athenian houses:
Athenian farms:
Athenian barracks:
Athenian temple:
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16 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
@Genava55 I am going to need help with the sacred places as centers of devotion.
I can't help sorry. No time for this. I am pretty sure you can get your info here:
http://libgen.rs/covers/2691000/14430beb2a3d3fe762df67c5fe6dc702-g.jpg
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Helis/Sboryanovo, capital of the Getae and Hellenistic inspired city:
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Seuthopolis, Odrysian capital during Seuthes III:
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Pistiros, an emporion where lived both Greeks and Thracians:
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Kozi Gramadi, residence of a Thracian prince, 5th-4th century BC. Next to it, there is a sanctuary of the 8th-4th century BC and with a temple dedicated to Zeus and Hera added in the 4th century BC. The sanctuary was built in wood and in masonry, with a foundation made out of stones, and it was active between the 8th to the 6th century BC. Then when the Thracian prince built his residence, the sanctuary was rebuilt, probably in stones. It is unclear how the building was reconstructed and if it retains some elements of the original. Later, probably with the Macedonian influence, a temple dedicated to Zeus and Hera was built.
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The Thracian Temple Complex at Starosel, with multiple tumuli, nearby Kozi Gramadi.
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In my opinion, a building that is a must-have is one of those royal tombs.
Let's imagine we will have one of those tombs:
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What kind of design for the other buildings could work with?
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Now, do we want something inspired from the sanctuary of Tatul?
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If yes, same question than for the royal tomb: what kind of design for the other buildings could work with?
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8 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Oh my
You don't like it but it is necessary. People from ancient times, both Greeks and Persians viewed Persepolis as a city. And from a modern perspective, it is indeed a city. I know people confuse this a lot, but a city isn't just about population size.
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12 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Suethopolis seemed more akin to an administrative center such as Persepolis than an actual city or town. Fair?
Seuthopolis was city because it matches the definition of a city. In the same way, Persepolis was a city.
In the case of Seuthopolis, it seems Seuthes III really lived there.
But indeed, like Persepolis, Seuthopolis acted like the seat of the power. Probably that the closest clients and parents of Seuthes III lived in Seuthopolis or around the city.
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3 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
What would be the noticeable difference?
The accuracy.
The issues are not the houses, the farms and other rural buildings of the Thracians. Even among Greeks there were houses made from wattle-and-daub or wood. There are always good options of simple buildings among any civilizations. So in the end, there were some "barbaric" Thracian houses and some Hellenistic Thracian houses. Both kinds existed.
The issue however are the temples and the fortresses. I understand that you want wooden temples, but do you have any evidences of wooden temples among Thracians? Currently, the evidences are about Hellenistic inspired temples made out of stones.
You want to do a proper and fair depiction of the Thracians? Then stick to the evidences. Currently all our factions have notable buildings based on known evidences. If you know about the Achaemenid empire, then by playing the Persians in 0AD you can easily recognize a few buildings. If you know about the Roman period, then by playing the Romans, you will recognize a few buildings quickly. etc. etc.
A fair depiction of the Thracians should be based on real evidences. Someone knowing the history of the Thracians should be able to recognize some buildings by playing the Thracians.
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New Civ for Alpha 28+?
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Yes indeed. Infantrymen should have a better protection by being in a battle-formation.
Ideally, infantrymen and light infantry should have also the same speed when not in a formation. I don't understand why some peltasts with shields and helmets should be faster than unarmoured spearmen for example. Historically, heavy infantrymen moved very fast when they broke out of their formation. It is staying in a cohesive formation that make them slower.
By giving more importance to the heavy infantry and to formation, it gives more incentive to micro-manage them.
Cavalry should have a bonus against infantry not in formation.