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  1. @Sundiata, That is true, most of African history is in the dark. Another perfect example is Mali's back to back to back victory against the Portuguese Empire on sea(West African Coast). For all I know Portugal and Spain had some of the best navies back then but even this brilliant knowledge of history doesn't exist in "reliable" books. Are these Nile boats similar to Medium warships or even better? Will they be able to carry siege engines? Kush doesn't field artillery yet thus, her forces rely on ships that can deploy siege towers, elephants, B. rams etc to increase its military projection abroad. I hope that mechanism still exists because the other civilizations undoubtedly have stronger navies but the "siege craft carrier" ability of the Ptolmaic ship really quenched some stress. Same here. Ever since I saw their war vessels I've been digging in for more. But I'm shocked however that the bigger West and Central African empires didn't adopt artillery on a large scale similar to the smaller tribes or groups. I've not heard of the Ashanti Empire bringing cannons to the field but I do remember one of their kings signed a deal with the Dutch where they supplied slaves to be imported to the Dutch army in Asia in exchange for some number of cannons. Anyway, Kushite and sub Saharan ancient navies are yet to be properly studied and evaluated. But I remember from the translation of Piye's victory stela that the King was impatient and he commanded the Navy himself forming and leading a battle formation on sea. Other translations reveal Kushite ships vs Egyptian ships on the Nile "that were filled with all kinds of weapons of war". At the end of the war the Kushite king stated to have taken many many warships in Egypt. Kushite engineers even built causeways to allow their ships to encircle the Egyptian stronghold. These translations reveal a very sophisticated navy at the time, at least, on standard with those of the Mediterranean and Asia.
  2. @Sundiata, allow me to go off topic but do you have any book source that talks about the Naval warships of Kush? I heard they got some Ptolmey ships and employed it as part of their fleet (as seen in the game) but can you share a source? Ancient African civilizations seem to be lacking in information about their naval prowess despite the abundance of larger rivers and waters. I was shocked to see pre colonial West African ships armed with as many as 20 swivel canons and additional self propelled artillery. I have seen the images of the Kushite boats and crafts you shared but if you know any book that talks about the ships Kushites used; especially their warships or the Ptolmey's ships they obtained, please share. I however, read about Piye's 2 or 3 sea battles against Egypt (one where he arranged a battle formation for all his ships).
  3. https://books.google.com.gh/books?id=i54rPFeGKewC&pg=PA158&dq=Kushite+cavalry&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwicxdfGruDtAhWOSsAKHU58ApsQ6AEwAXoECAgQAg#v=onepage&q=Kushite cavalry&f=false NB: link leads directly to page. This book says makes a mention about Kushite chariots. It states that Piye ordered heavier chariots with the ratio of 3 men to one chariot.
  4. @Genava55 The battering ram has been accepted and ready for use under discussion at https://code.wildfiregames.com/D2815, the link you shared to me. However, is there an existing art for it? Or is the art going to be based on the rams of other civs.
  5. When day broke, at early morning, his majesty reached Memphis. When he landed on the north of it, he found that the water had approached to the walls, the ships mooring at [the walls of] Memphis. Then his majesty saw it was strong, and that the wall was raised by a new rampart, and battlements manned with mighty men. There was found no way of attacking it. Every man told his opinion among the army of his majesty, according to every rule of war. Every man said; "Let us besiege [it] .... ; lo, its troops are numerous." Others said: "Let a causeway be made against it, let us elevate the ground to its walls. Let us bind together a tower; let us erect masts and make the spars into a bridge to it. We will divide it on this (plan) on every side of it, on the high ground and ..... on the north of it, in order to elevate the ground at its walls, that we may find a way for our feet. The Piankhi Stela James Henry Breasted, Ancient Records of Egypt: Historical Documents. (Chicago: 1906), Part IV 861 ff @Sundiata I don't know how this will help but I just noted that Kush had military engineers who were capable of constructing siege weaponry under fire or whiles battle was ongoing.These ranged from siege towers to causeways. In the game, I think the Greeks, Romans,(Persians?) have military workshops besides forts which are cheaper for producing such weaponry than fortifications. I don't really know how this helps tho. Also, the Noba camp and village are dope, however, I heard the archers are of two types; flammable arrow archers and non flammable. Why not replace the non-flammable arrows with crossbows?
  6. @badosuI saw a video on the Athenians and the player was able to build colossal statues of Athena. Is just that he didn't explain how. Is it possible for civs to build statues? I've tried with Athens myself but; no results.
  7. @Stan` @elexisPlease how do we build statues and sculpture works? I've been at it for a while now.
  8. I'm not sure about the upcoming update but new game features might arrive sometime in the future, let's hope so. However in my opinion, some civs should have all their ground units ranked. For instance, some civ archers should be better than others, some civ Calvary should be better, some war elephants should be better trained, some cavalry and chariots units should be faster or heavier than others, some civ infantry units such as spearmen should be more tactical than others. It could go like; Romans have aggressive sieges, Kushites have +? accurate archers, Mauryans the Elephants, Gauls have land superiority, etc. I'm not implying that the civs mentioned earlier have such tactical traits, I just want to give an example for better comprehension. It seems there are civs that are too strong gaping the others at light speed. Every civ must have a trait that makes it "strongest" among other civ units. Also, I believe that "artillery" didn't arrive at our doorsteps from the Greeks and that it was of practice elsewhere before.
  9. Of course. Kush's ambassador to wildfire games.
  10. @Genava55 Very true. But thank you so much for all you've done. You really helped in getting Kush as a civ on its own in the game.
  11. @Genava55 Unfortunately no. However, I'm not giving up yet . I hope archaeologist can break all barriers and enlarge our knowledge of Sudan one day. @Genava55 By the way, do you know if any artist is willing to design a Kushite battering ram or non royal Chariot unit before the next alpha update?
  12. Interesting enough, Arrian of Nicomedia described the use of war wagons by some Thracian tribes. Source; The Thracians 700 BC-AD 46 (Men-at-Arms) by Christopher Webber and Angus McBride, 2001, ISBN 1-84176-329-2, page 10
  13. @Genava55 The source is the book itself and other books but I can't share a pic or link. However, the crossbows were discovered along with other Kushite arsenal. Also, I'm not going to insist nor propose that the Kushites invented it, nope. Maybe they borrowed it later from Romans or Asians?
  14. Typical Etruscan house from the 8th century BC.Villanovan phase. Another 8th century BC home. Etruscan warrior in armor. Layout of Etruscan temple.
  15. They did but it was very short. The area was reverted back to Kush and Christian Nubia sometime later. @SundiataUnfortunately I can't find a free copy either and I'm still looking for a link. However, from my source, the page 138, stated it was used by Kushites because it was discovered along with a Kushite arsenal including armor, bows and shield and your usual Kushite weapons.
  16. @Sundiata I found something on Kushite artillery. The discovery of crossbow weapons at Quasr Ibrim during the late Meroitic period or when Kush was about to decline. Adams, William Y. (2013). Qasr Ibrim: The Ballana Phase. Egypt Exploration Society. ISBN 0856982164. Page 138. I remember some archaeologist's also discovered ballistas or mechanical stone throwers at a fort belonging to Christian Nubia. Either way, in regards to the Chariots and battering ram, are there any artist willing to lend a hand?
  17. It's such an ass that only Amanirenas gets the Chariot. Hoping there are non royal Chariot units aded before the update. Same with the battering rams. Either way, it won't be bad if China as a civ could be in the update.
  18. @Sundiatadarn, I made a huge mistake. Really sorry. But either way, is possible that was(or not) the inspiration for the Kushite ram. Either way, playing as Kush is really hard when countering battering rams. However if @Alexandermbhad the time, it will be helpful, if the Kushite rams could be modeled on the Egyptian ones. But @Sundiata does Kush have a Chariot unit? Or is only limited to their heroes?
  19. @NescioHere is a depiction of a Kushite battle ram during Piye's siege in Egyptian cities. Is there a way to get this added to Kushite military in the upcoming alpha 24 update? To me their battering ram looks similar to the in game rams used by the Greeks. Perhaps we can get Kush something similar just like we did with the siege tower. I think something like this is in-game. We can simply give the Kushites one too.
  20. @jesper I think there are mods for the Chinese, Mongols and Byzantine. Don't know about the rest tho. However, if any of the civilizations listed could be added to the A-25 update, I believe the most likely choice will be the Chinese. There is enough historical information about this civilization and they fall within the timeframe of 0.AD. I'm sure someone is working on adding the Chinese sometime in the future.
  21. @Genava55 @Sundiata More evidence of Kushite fielding into battle many chariots; 2nd Chronicles 16:8 Were not the Kushites and the Lubims a huge host, with very many chariots and horsemen? yet, because you did rely on the LORD, he delivered them into your hand. Kushites had as many as 300 chariots described in 2nd Chronicles 14:9
  22. @Sundiata lol, that's true. But do think about it. We could give the current Kushite siege towers a ramming device at the front at least, because even if we can't tell wether they used a battering ram or not, they did use a type of siege engine that destroys walls. We can't take that from them. @Sundiata also check this; Finally I found a depiction of a Kushite battering ram with a cover protection for soldiers. This is confidently obvious: down right and you can see men holding the ram.
  23. @Sundiata I really understand. But the original French versions said a ram probably, moveable, that breaks walls. You see the Assyrians earlier used a type of tower-like ram less than or 100 years ago. Maybe something similar but on a small scale was used and employed in Kush later. Because, if it were a siege tower only, the wall won't be destroyed; its wall was overthrown...... OR So its walls were demolished..... Is not possible for just a moveable siege tower to actually break walls. It must be armed with a battering ram, which can actually break walls. The function of siege to elevate the archers ....But then this movable tower was said to overthrow walls. It must be a ram or if a tower then something similar to the Assyrian moveable tower-ram.
  24. @Sundiata The siege tower is page 842 of part IV not page 838 part IV. The whole texts (siege tower and battering ram) are mentioned differently. Take the whole text like this; Then they fought against Tetehen, great in might. They found it filled with soldiers, with every valiant man of the Northland. Then the battering-ram was employed against it, its wall was overthrown, and a great slaughter was made among them. of unknown number; also the son of the chief of Me, Tefnakhte. Then they sent to his majesty concerning it, (but) his heart was not satisfied therewith.....He set up for himself the camp on the southwest of Hermopolis (Hmnw) and besieged it daily. An embankment was made, to inclose the wall; a tower was raised to elevate the archers while shooting, and the slingers while slinging stones, and slaying people among them daily. The Piankhi Stela James Henry Breasted, Ancient Records of Egypt: Historical Documents. (Chicago: 1906), Part IV 838-842 Here are the original French translation sources describing the battering ram as a different siege weapon to the siege tower. The battering ram and siege tower were used on different walls and at different times during the campaign. They were two different weapons used by Kush. You can see the French translations here; 1) Rougé, Emmanuel de (1811-1872) Auteur du texte (1876). Chrestomathie égyptienne, par M. le Vte de Rougé. 4e fascicule. La Stèle du roi éthiopien Piankhi-Meriamen. 2)Mariette, Auguste (1872). Monuments divers recueillis en Egypte et en Nubie (Tables). Paris. My rendering of a Kushite battering ram. For Kushite Chariots, there should at least be a Kushite unit. 2nd Chronicles 14:9 ; Then Zerah the Kushite came against them with an army of 1,000,000 men and 300 chariots, and they advanced as far as Mareshah. there really should be a Kushite chariot unit.
  25. @Sundiata Evidence for Kushite Battering Rams. The Battering Ram was used in Kush and it was effective as well. In the Piankhi stelae, passage 838; Then they fought against Tetehen, great in might. They found it filled with soldiers, with every valiant man of the Northland. Then the battering-ram was employed against it, its wall was overthrown, and a great slaughter was made among them. of unknown number; also the son of the chief of Me, Tefnakhte. Then they sent to his majesty concerning it, (but) his heart was not satisfied therewith. The Piankhi Stela James Henry Breasted, Ancient Records of Egypt: Historical Documents. (Chicago: 1906), Part IV 838 This is different from the seige tower page. The siege tower and battering ram were two different siege weapons as described by Kushite historians. @Sundiata another source of the evidence of battering rams by Kushite military Source: [9] The Literature Of Ancient Egypt (in Arabic). pp. 368 ff. IT IS CLEARLY DESCRIBED THAT A BATTERING RAM WAS NEEDED TO DESTROY A WALL AND NOT ANY WALL , BUT A LARGE ONE AT THE HEART OF EGYPT. KUSH USED RAMS. LETS GIVE IT TO THEM.
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