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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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Ooooh..... Nice! Yeah, definitely, only a large first pylon entrance, leading to an inner courtyard, and a second pylon entrance, leading to holy of holies, like almost all of the Amun temples. The one at Napata with 4 pylon gates is a unique variation, because it was the main temple to Amun. Only need to use the front part as reference, the back part of it are just some unnecessary additions... Here's the one from Kawa: In response to your (fantastic) model, I'd suggest that the elevated roof on that back part is replaced by a (narrow) opening in the roof, reaching almost halfway the back.- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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@LordGood, as always, wow! "my least favorite building to model" ...doesn't seem to have affected the quality of the model... I'm shocked at the amount of things that got done the past 48 hours... Really impressive guys!!!- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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The Kingdom of Kush: A kingdom of silver horse trappings Boston Museum of Fine Arts collection In Meroitic Kush, horses were important, and nothing attests to that more than the silver horse-equipment, used by it's rulers. Ornately decorated silver and bronze plaques, carved with images of lions, rulers, gods and other symbols like the Ankh, were sewn to leather bands, running across the length of the horse, sometimes hinted at in the various graffito of horse-men. They would have looked magnificent... And the source: http://www.mfa.org/search?search_api_views_fulltext=MEROITIC+silver+horse- 1.040 replies
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@wowgetoffyourcellphone "Looks like Egyptian-style quilted corselets are a no-go,", Kushite style quilted cotton corselets should definitely be used for ranking Meroitic cavalry and infantry. Just not for Beja (Blemmye) mercenary units. @wackyserious very nice, just scale down the leopard skin texture because it's too big like that, and replace the giraffe skin with cow-hide, like the Medjay: @Lion.Kanzen for the moment, I don't think we need shield symbols..
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@wackyserious Yeah, needs to be oval or round, not pointy like that. Their textures are all a bit too fantastical for my taste. I prefer to stick to what we know: elephant-, rhino-, hippo- or ox-hide or wicker- round-shields or oval shields. New Kingdom Egyptian inspiration is also good (wooden shields covered in animal hide: cow or leopard), for infantry. For cavalry, I'd advice round-shields though, like the shield carried by this old-school Beja warrior:
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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@LordGood This is about how far I got with market references, it's mostly guess work though, nothing I know of survived the times... I think it were just large open markets in the open spaces between the large structures of the city centers, not necessarily dedicated buildings, but smallish, semi-perishable setups: w surv- 1.040 replies
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Those primitive looking, painted units should only be used for Nuba mercenaries. Meroitic urban population, which was very large ( 25 cities and towns between Maharaqqa and Napata alone, Northern half of Kush), would not have appeared like this... The Thyreos shield featured in one of the pics, is very plausible, for at least some individual soldiers returning from Ptolemaic Egypt, or captured from Galatian mercs used by the Ptolies, but the exact reference eludes me, so it should be used sparingly, if at all. I'm not familiar with the reference behind the shield carried by those "Kulus Bomani" Those irregularly shaped hide-shields of the "Mistophoroi Kushitoi" are based entirely on Tuareg hide shields from West-Africa, which is wrong. Hide shields for Kushites should be oval-shaped, made of oxhide or alternatively wicker, (or both).
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"the cobra piece on the forehead" is only for royals... Sign of divine rulership... That's Taharqa, by the way...
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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Hero 1: Arakamani: (Hellenisation) - techs research faster Hero 2 Amanirenas: (Diplomat/warrior queen) - favourable outcomes in diplomatic affairs/soldiers fight harder (can recruit lions?) Hero 3 Nastasen: (Naval superiority) - Boats gain increased attack and defence I'd refrain from using the word Bushman for the Nuba, as that term is most closely associated with "the Bushmen of the Kalahari" , which is the other side of Africa.- 1.040 replies
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Only problem I see for now is that their heads are a different color from their bodies :/
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If the Nuba mercs make the cut, they're the ones that should get some body paint. Painted half white (with something powdery looking), or half reddish, or half white, and half reddish. They're also the ones that could have a wider variety of animal cloths. perhaps, skirmish, perhaps with knotted clubs. Is wackyserious the lordgood of units?
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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Yeah, I think elephants will be the main siege weapon for Kushites.. Not really a champion, just dressed to impress, but not all-round fantastic...- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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Elephants are quite prestigious. Relatively weak, but prestigious- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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I think axe and swords are both iconic weapons for the Kushites. Axe as armour piercing shock troop, strong against swordsmen, weak against spear. Swordsmen are strong against spear, weak against axe. Plus Kush is the earliest known Sub-Saharan civilisation to use swords. The first of a long line. Axes are too common to ignore. "I suggest the Axeman be the "Temple Guard" for the Temple of Amun." sounds nice...- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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Strabo: "and as weapons some had only axes, others pikes, and others swords" In one of the reliefs of Amanishakheto, she is actually seen using a (shortened, for artistic purposes I presume) sarissa, to execute prisoners. They were introduced to "modern" pike formations after facing Greek hoplites for the first time in 592 BC, during Psamtik II's invasion of Nubia. From the early third century BC Greek was thought in Meroe, and under Arakamani some Hellenisation occurred, due to increased contact with Ptolemaic Egypt, and new military technologies were among the novelties, brought back by mercenaries who had served in Egypt, and Greek traders and adventurers serving at the Meroitic court. There's also that that graffiti from Musawwarat. And phalanx formations have been used in the Nile Valley since at least the New Kingdom.- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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Ideally, I think there should be 2 different embassies, one Nuba embassy, to recruit Nuba tribesmen, and one Blemmye embassy, to recruit those camel warriors. Then the roster would be complete, offering both of best worlds: a sophisticated urban elite, and primitive looking levies from the wild hinterlands of Kush, and the Beja camels. I don't know if this is too much...- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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The Kingdom of Kush Preliminary unit roster: The following list represents the essential units I have in mind for the Kushites, more could be added, but I believe these units are historical enough, and represent a well rounded roster, lacking only in siege equipment, which is somewhat mitigated by the war-elephant: Nubian Archer Nubian Spearman Meroitic Pikeman Meroitic Axeman Meroitic Swordsman Meroitic spear-cavalry Meroitic Noble Archer (champion unit) Meroitic Noble Cavalry Lancer (champion unit) Blemmye Mercenary Camel Lancer Blemmye Mercenary Camel Archer Kushite Light War-Elephant Thoughts and ideas?- 1.040 replies
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The lightest one you just shared. Representing Southern Egyptian & Northern Sudanese (modern Nubians). The more southern Meroites would have been very, very dark (like modern nuba people).
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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@wackyserious common soldiers would have predominantly worn white or colored loincloths, just the lion and leopard pelt for higher ranked soldiers. Other animal-hides would be too archaic for this period.- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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Maybe the second, larger temple of Amun should just become available in city phase?- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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Haha, I was just asking myself that...- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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Quick reply, among the heroes, in order to stick to the 500BC - 1 AD era, Piye should be replaced with Arakamani, and Amanitore with Amanishakheto. The Kushites can upgrade individual Temples to Temples of Amun, which can train Temple Guard champions and heal units faster." Well, that solves that issue... nice.. But wouldn't one temple being at least twice the size of the other temple be an issue? @Lion.Kanzen What are the odds, I was just reading through that piece again today. It's pretty decent. That's the best mod for Total War featuring Kushites.. Their research is pretty good... But ours is more comprehensive- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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@niektb You're absolutely right, I made that mistake for the first few posts because I had trouble uploading them directly... I've been thinking about re-uploading them directly for that same reason.- 1.040 replies
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The Kingdom of Kush: A proper introduction [Illustrated]
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I like them, but the more elaborate one on the left should only be used for elite/noble units. Other than that, personal decorations like these would have been worn commonly by every level of society, making use of cut stones, ceramics and glass, and as you moved up the social ladder, you'd see more bronze, silver and gold. This is all really good stuff by the way... The buildings... The units... This is going to be the most accurate representation of the Kushites anywhere, ever... @LordGood You're right about the pylon gateway being too narrow... But how lovely it would look indeed...- 1.040 replies
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