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Yes I know. I am really generally referring to the wealthy. But as I understand those citizens of Rome, now remember excluding slaves and the wiff wraff, had a very good standard of living and they did have goblets. What I show here is a scrape off the iceberg totally. There thousands of different types....

You can deffinately judge a culture by the everyday things. From an artisitic point of view and interest, we in modern times drink out of cheap cups and eat out of cheap easy to break plates. Have we lost our pride and culture? This is a Medieval goblet Viking/Norse Greek/Helenes Byzantine Roman Each of these goblets celebrates heritage... In particularly... The Romans pawn all of them. Why? Why not of a biased opinion or a nerve to simply promote superiority... But by the realization and awe to greatness, simply by the spectacular principles which ignited the golden age. "The mystery wasn’t solved until 1990, when researchers in England scrutinized broken fragments under a microscope and discovered that the Roman artisans were nanotechnology pioneers: They’d impregnated the glass with particles of silver and gold, ground down until they were as small as 50 nanometers in diameter, less than one-thousandth the size of a grain of table salt. The exact mixture of the precious metals suggests the Romans knew what they were doing—“an amazing feat,” says one of the researchers, archaeologist Ian Freestone of University College London." Quoted from here And this is the goblet ......

I don't know about the ladies.... But those are fine horses... Beuatiful. Ladies are you impressed???? Cool. And by the way, I repped you

No problem I believe I started the Dorian subject, but I guess it's kind off topic anyway

Nice But I am very much at home with the current theme so for those that wanna mod it, be my guest

Will there be a 0 A.D. II in the distant future that is Medieval including Byzantines and castles and whatnot? Not that the Medieval tone is really something of major concern, but just in a way a "bettered version of AoK" Or maybe a mod

I'm not fighting with the team I may have somewhat been a little overly controversial... Okay.... Well not conflicting. But I like everyone else have a firm, contentment with the preservation of historical facts and shouldn't be conflated with hype. No one has said that in this post by like the moderators, I see where a conversation like this going. To be more specific, I will not try and disprove any historical facts because I don't have an agenda nor a need to. But there will always be debates on the topics without substantial evidence and literature to base claims on where there is no solid ground to be content with. Its unknown, open for debate and if such debates are prohibited on this forum then perfectly understandable quite rightly so. But I did in the beginning say it was just a theory, I didn't stamp these claims like a pontiff with the gospel word of Jesus because that would be unsettling to most folk and not proper etiquette. So constructive debating rather than an invitation for a heated discussion is the crux of this thread and therefore that was the intention.

No They weren't big like Medieval war horses to the best of my knowledge but people were than are today but horses still bigger much bigger than a man. But cool Enrique I can't wait, but I don't have a choice and neither do the ladies....

Will they impress the ladies?

Well anyway We have two choices here 1 we can believe myths scholars put in our faces... Or 2 debate the probabilities. History is history and no theory or speculative tautologies from scholarly jargon gibberish can neither manipulate or change it. Sad for some ... True for all

Do I smell zero tolerance in the air for open discussion? But what is solid ground based ancient history linger in the unknown fog of war? Define "solid ground"?

Yeah it is a city builder type genre the vassal thing. I just seem to see it as much more. All these facets is what can and will make 0 A.D. Great. It certainly has the potential. But RTS as a genre like what you and I know it as, in the old days was quite raw and bare. RTS is in truth a civ city builder too. But is more free than a standard civ builder game. Only reason why aoe and RTS games don't have it, is because the age they were made and no effort was put in, in implementing umpteen facets of game play. Also they don't exist now because corporate game developers don't have a big enough market for it anymore. So all in all, I see 0AD as an RTS that can give what AOE could not, and that's the beauty of this game. I think it may become an hybrid RTS which is truly unique in every respect in its own right. What wish for in AOE... 0AD is that genie in the bottle that grants that wish and creates something amaizing

What doesn't make sense? Perhaps you not looking at it in the perspective I am. Its not that I support the theory, because its mine anyway, but it is highly plausible. I'm really not talking about Mongols, that is way to far east for this topic. But again I'm reiterating my above posts here, the Dorians migrated to Greece, they didn't come from Greece. But my theory and that is one of them, as I have several states that a sub clan of break away Dorian migrants settled and colonized western Europe. The biggest question here is, we don't know who was around in western Europe at that stage as if there were Celts or people before them might of been we don't know. in texts books it reads that 400 BCE the Celts appeared.... That's the Bronze Age btw. Well from where?? Poof out of fresh air? Nope. The migrants had to have come from the east.... And paradoxically not necessarily. So the point is whether my theory makes sense? Well yes it does. The Dorians as we assume based on speculation appeared in Greece roughly 1000 BCE. I seem to support that just maybe a colony of these people greatly expanded in the nothingness and stark western Europe and populated the area. Whether the they became Celts or not. The fact is they probably went there. This I suspect occurred in 900-600 BCE. The sudden appearance of Celts in 400 BCE is the climax period or peak of the Dorian migrants who then started to forn cultures and factions within western Europe. The Celts have no written records and most of what we really know come the Greeks and Romans with regards to Western Europe.

WOLOLO .................. Guess where that's from Have you played Imperium III? Have a look at Pratorians

The Dorians were not part of ancient Greece. They appeared from further north and north-east. There is little to no evidence of what I am concluding as I have stated, because these are my theories and opinions, but it makes perfect sense.

Well atm I'm engaged with python and perl. When I venture into C++ and what not ill also like to contribute

I agree with you 100% AoE is the base, but 0 A.D. Is the ivory tower coated in gold. Think of it this way... AoE is Greece... 0 A.D is Rome and Rome is more sophisticated and gives many options

Relate them how? For a point of clarity, I'm using the Doring as a pure stock of origin and I'm relating them by influence and because of overwhelming numbers which I assume was the factor of their successful incursion that they then became the composition of these other off shoots of peoples mainly inhabiting the eastern and north-eastern Europe

You see this is where we need to change a few things here.... Instead of completely destroying an enemy, rather include him as a vassal etc. We defiantly need a "capture building" option if you going to go the vassal route. I wished for something like in AoE.....

This was from the textbook It states that the Dorians in 1000-1100 BC from north-west of Greece invaded and conquered in quote "the sophisticated Myceneans" and settled in an arc stretching from the Peloponnese through the Southern aegean islands to mainland Anatolia (Turky) _____________ The paragraphs below that I included based on my views

Patience Remember Rome was not built in a day

Yes in all modes is fine. But for me single player mode is perfect. Because the majority of us spend time in single player mode so its the primary mode. And I do like vsing the AI

Yeah according to a text book I have here which is in actual fact a type of atlas. It states that the Dorians in 1000-1100 BC from north-west of Greece invaded and conquered in quote "the sophisticated Myceneans" and settled in an arc stretching from the Peloponnese through the Southern aegean islands to mainland Anatolia (Turky) Now technically the Myceneans weren't technically Greek in the sense we know it, or before Greece was even born into a nation identified as Helenes. And one can only imagine that note it said "sophisticated" which all this was was the first barbaric incursions reminiscent of the early Goth and Hunic invasions. Like a type of cycle that repeats every 1000 years or so. The Huns and the like were the later descendants of the Dorians. This also explains the Mysterious appearance of the Turkish horse archers that overran the Byzantine Empire in Anatolia. Horse archery was the art of the Mongols and the Huns and I bet the Turkish horse archers were Huns. Here's the thing, after Atilla's war what happened to the Huns? They had to of gone somewhere and because they didn't have a country, colony or city you can know exactly or pin point a place of origin. Parthia were exceptional horse archers but these people too were composition of assyrians/babylonians/persian and definitely the Dorian Hunic variants But talking about the expanse and movement of peoples in a by-gone-era are just tautologies and its like talking about race and the Aryans and soon this crosses the line of controversy and certainly becomes folklore.

Well I believe vassals are very realistic. Throughout ancient history there have been vassals to conquering empires. For example after Caesars great conquest over Gaul the Gauls became a vassal. But because they lacked enough numbers after that war to rebel and no weapons and resources (ceased by mighty Roma) they could not rebel. In 0 A.D. We need an AI that mimics this reality. Where as the "conqueror" you can dictate and control your vassal in some ways by limiting their pop cap limit, including the size of army they make etc etc. The whole idea with this is, you can use your vassals for added income and army contribution. Say I want to attack another enemy but I don't want to waste my men, I can just send the vassal's If if the vassal disobey or defies the might of your empire, you send in your army to stamp down authority and rule and slaughter the troops the vassal gathered to launch a rebellion.

Well according to mainsteam history the Dorians were the first settlers of Greece and Minoa Crete. But, the Dorians before they settled in Greece there's a possibility that a branch ventured west and occupied Germania and Gaul eventually settling in Briton. The Dorians are very ancient indeed and because of this good luck findong any VALID sources about them. It just remains theory and hardly factual by any standard.