AIEND Posted June 11, 2022 Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 Chinese history does not have this kind of ship, Chinese warships to the enemy ship impact, generally is the use of the ship volume height difference for "冲犁chongli", that is, similar to modern icebreakers to destroy the ice way to destroy the enemy ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted June 11, 2022 Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIEND Posted June 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 4 小时前，斯坦` 说过： The illustrations in the Ancient China section of Osprey Publishing are notorious in China and we do not recommend referencing them at all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIEND Posted June 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) 4 小时前，Stan` 说： The earliest pictorial record of "楼船Louchuan" is from "武经总要wujingzongyao", which reads Edited June 11, 2022 by AIEND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 11, 2022 Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Stan` said: Better pictures and with the description text 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 11, 2022 Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 Here the text in the osprey: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 11, 2022 Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, AIEND said: Chinese history does not have this kind of ship, Chinese warships to the enemy ship impact, generally is the use of the ship volume height difference for "冲犁chongli", that is, similar to modern icebreakers to destroy the ice way to destroy the enemy ship. from the osprey, I think it is the Zhan xian or Dou xian mentioned at the page 15, based on "Wu Jing Zong Yao" document made around 1044 you already mentioned before 24 minutes ago, AIEND said: The illustrations in the Ancient China section of Osprey Publishing are notorious in China and we do not recommend referencing them at all. Yeah obviously we need to be careful with Osprey. I know that those books can be really bad depending the topic. Edited June 11, 2022 by Genava55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIEND Posted June 11, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2022 1 分钟前，Genava55 说： 从鱼鹰看，我认为是第15页提到的战仙或斗仙，基于您之前提到的1044年左右的“吴敬宗尧”文档 So far, the only diagrams of Chinese warships that can be referred to are those after the Song Dynasty. I have basic ancient books as well as modern research materials in my possession, but in Chinese. 271323228_()(z-lib.org).pdf 1136183969_.pdf 389120430_.27.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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