Mayas Protoclassic

[Duileoga]

Para visualizar más fácilmente las unidades mayas y donde se reclutarían;

 

Cuartel;-------------------------------------( Tok' Pakal nal)

Escarmucero;------------------------------------------( Hul'che B'ate)
Guerrero con garote;----------------------------------(Xet'el Che' B'ate)
Lancero;----------------------------------------------( Taj Lom B'ate)

Guerrero con cerbatana;-------------------------------(Puw B'ate)
 Hondero;----------------------------------------------( Yum'Tun B'ate)
Guerrero con Hacha;-----------------------------------( B'aat B'ate)

Aristocrata ;------------------------------------------- (Bahkab)

 

 

 

Cancha de juego de pelota;---------------(Pitz);

Guardián ;------------------------------------------(kokhom B'ate)
Guerrero vestido de jaguar; ------------------------(Aj Balam B'ate)
Guerrero montaña guacamayo;---------------------(Aj witz mo B'ate)

 

 

 

Centro cívico;---------------------------(Ol nuk naj)

. Escarmucero;------------------------------------------( Hul'che B'ate)
. Guerrero con garote;----------------------------------(Xet'el Che' B'ate)
. Lancero;-----------------------------------------------( Taj Lom B'ate)
. Mujer;-------------------------------------------------(ixik)

 

 

 

Templo mayor;-----------------------------(Noj k’uh nah)

Sumo Sacerdote ;-----------------------------------------(Noj Aj K'uhun)

 

 

 

Mercado;---------------------------------(K'iwik)

Comerciante;-------------------( Aj Kon )

 

 

 

Palacio;--------------------------------------(Otooch)

Aristocrata ;---------------------------------------------- (Bahkab)
Líder;-----------------------------------------------------(Aj Payal)
Guerrero de elite ;----------------------------------------( Sajaloob )
 

 

 

Pirámide;------------------------------------(Witz)

Gran Soberano (respaldado por su fuerza militar); ------------------( Chak Ajaw )
Soberano Divino(respaldado por creencia religiosa) ;---------------( K'uhul Ajaw)
Soberana/Reina(reina viuda/reina regente etc...); ------------------( ix Ajaw )
 

 

 

Plaza;-----------------------------------------(Naab'i )

Arquero Lenca;---------------------------------------(Nohol B'ate) "Guerrero del sur".
Lancero Lenca;---------------------------------------(Nohol  Taj Lom B'ate)" Lancero del sur"
Macuahuitl olmeca;-----------------------------------( Chik'inil B'ate)"Guerrero venido del oeste".
Arquero olmeca;------------------------------------- (Ochk'in B'ate)"Guerrero de la zona oeste".
 

 

 

 

Puerto;-------------------------------------(Kayoom nal)

Canoa de Pesca; ---------------( Kayom Jukuub)
Canoa de Guerra; --------------( Tok' pakal Jukuub' )
Canoa Mercante; --------------( Konol Jukuub' )
 

 

 

 

Templo;----------------------------------( k’uh nah)

Sacerdote;------------------------(Aj K'in)

 

 

 

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[Lion.Kanzen]

47 minutes ago, Duileoga said:

Buenos días o tardes;

 

-Terminé con las unidades auxiliares;

Lencas;

7.Arquero Lenca;----------------------------------------(Nohol B'ate) "Guerrero del sur".

 

 

8.Lancero Lenca;-----------------------------------------(Nohol  Taj Lom B'ate)" Lancero del sur"

(ambas unidades juntas de arquero y lancero)

 

Unidad que aparecería en el editor de escenarios

(Porque ya hay demasiadas unidades);

 

Cacique Lenca;

 

Referencias;

 

 

 

 

 

Mapa de la extensión de la civilización lenca;

(preclásico)

-Sería interesante hacer un mapa del "Reino Yaruma" en Honduras ...

 

Ciudades y asentamientos lencas preclásicos;

-Honduras ;
En el "Reino Yaruma"(12)

1.    Yarumela (capital)
2.    Canquigüe.
3.    Tenguaje.
4.    Jeto.
5.    Palos Blancos.
6.    Canje.
7.     Chichinguara.
8.    Piedras Gordas.
9.    Tamblas .
10.    Cururú.
11.    Tenampúa.
12.    La de Vaca.

No Yaruma;(5)
1.     Los naranjos.
2.    Salitrón Viejo.
3.    Gualjoquito.
4.    Santa Rita.
5.    Playa de los Muertos.

-El Salvador;(5)
1.    Quelepa.
2.    La Laguneta.
3.    La Florida.
4.    Brisas de Jiquilisco.
5.    Los llanitos.
6.    Loma China.
7.    Usulután.

 

Total;22 ciudades y asentamientos.

 

 

-Si cometí errores pido disculpas y si alguien pudiera aportar ayuda o correcciones se lo agradecería muchísimo

 

 

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Parece la zona del Valle de Comayagua, la antigua capital de Honduras.

[Lion.Kanzen]

The complementary names "Valladolid" or "Country of the Higueras" were those that the Spaniards gave it, but it kept the original name of the place, which is purely indigenous. Some differ in its etymology, but most agree that it is composed of «koma» (which in Lenca dialect means Huge amount of land) and «Jawa», (that means water) its true meaning being «abundant land of water».

 

During the Pre-Columbian era the valley in which the city is located was populated by Lenca people, a Mesomaerican native culture that still prevails in Honduras. Archaeological remains such as Yarumela show that these natives have populated the valley since approximately 1,000 B.C.

 

The flat topography and subtropical climate helped these natives to prosper and built its own societies and towns, most of its economic activities were the control of trade routes that connected the Caribbean sea to the Pacific Ocean. During the colonization of the American continent the Spaniard conquistadors founded a rich valley with different Lencan towns, most of them well organized with a high social stratification. these natives were the ones that gave a well-done resistance during the conquest of Honduras.

 

 

Edited April 27, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

Yarumela also known as El Chilcal, was one of the sites located in Honduras and based around the Middle Formative era in Mesoamerican history, occupied between 1000 BC and AD 200 by the ancestros of the Lencan culture also known as the Proto-lencan people. During its heyday at the end of the Preclassic mesoamerican period was a popular trade center, especially for precious commoditiesLocated sixty kilometres south of the Los Naranjos, the site of Yarumela yielded information that led archaeologists to believe that it was another imposing Middle Formative center. This information also led archaeologists to believe that Yarumela as a center had a focus on precious commodities. Much like the settlement found at Los Naranjos, Yarumela’s area was protected by the location in which it was found. On the eastern side, the settlement at Yarumela was protected by the Humuya River, which was a branch off of the Ulua, and on the western side it was protected by a large man-made ditch.

 

The settlement at Yarumela was considered to be a large and prosperous trade center; archaeologists determined this from the numerous large structure mounds they found on the site as well as some of the material artifacts located there as well. Artifacts like shells, jadeite, obsidian fragments as well as exotic ceramics.

Ni idea que esto estaba en Honduras.

I had no idea this was in Honduras.lol.

 

 

 

 

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

Con razón no sabía, es reciente.

--It's recent, no wonder they never taught to me it at  elementary school or high school or college.---

On April 11, 2019, the mayor of the town of Yarumela and the Honduran Institute of Anthropology and History with the support of the national police of Honduras, restored structure 102 and managed to rehabilitate a good part of the site, installing signs where there is information about the history of the place. It is currently open to both national and foreign public.

Edited April 28, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

Yarumela was a town (un pueblo) before, my great-great-grandmother was from Comayagua.

[Lion.Kanzen]

2 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Con razón no sabía, es reciente.

--It's recent, no wonder they never taught to ne it at  elementary schoo or high school or college.---

On April 11, 2019, the mayor of the town of Yarumela and the Honduran Institute of Anthropology and Historywith the support of the national police of Honduras, restored structure 102 and managed to rehabilitate a good part of the site, installing signs where there is information about the history of the place. It is currently open to both national and foreign public.

My aunt spoke with her friend, an expert in Latin American History (University of Florida) Laura Gálvez.

This screenshot is from a magazine of female personalities from UNAH.(Honduran University).

She told me that if I wanted to know more I should go to ask Institute of Anthropology and History from Honduras in our old down town(historic old city).

this is the former presidential palace now it is a museum.

Said she was an old man from United States of  America Who came to make the discovery of that settlement Lenca.

[Lion.Kanzen]

https://ihah.hn/

Official site. 

 

The first Honduran Settlement was around 900-800 B.C.

It's called Chilcal.

 

the challenge for Honduran archaeologists (according to the law) is to make it known to everybody.

 

It is of Olmec influence(Olmecoid according to the interviewed expert).

Edited April 28, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

A video about Sula Valley.

According to this researcher in Cerro Palenque the canoes unloaded before traveling and entering the sea.

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

It looks like the places I have shown you in photos.

Chilcal is not in Comayagua, it is in the neighboring province; La Paz.

Comayagua can be seen from the archaeological site view.( In the video)

 

Edited April 28, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

The place is considered the oldest human settlement discovered in Honduras, since it is estimated that it was occupied between 3000 B.C. and 200 A.D. According to his research, the archaeologist Joesink Mandebille (1986) affirmed that the abandonment of the area was perhaps due to the loss of crops and subsequent famine due to a rain of ash from the eruption of a volcano in El Salvador. Eventually the monarchical system fell, giving way to the cacicazgo, a system of government that still prevails in some regions of the country.

 

Findings

 

All that has been found to date by anthropologists of North American origin is believed to be vestiges of the base of the Lenca culture found by the conquistadors in 1537.

 

Among the main objects of incalculable value found in the sector are some clay whistles that were used to call animals, seals to decorate fabrics, figures to represent royalty, funeral offerings, vessels to store seeds and food, as well as objects of personal decoration.

 

According to local guides of the Archaeological Museum of Comayagua, during the formative period from 1,000 BC to 250 AD at the site known as El Chilcal in Yarumela, La Paz, an indigenous society developed that founded the political capital and was the seat of a prominent chiefdom.

 

This seems to have been around 400 years BC. C. and continued until almost the beginning of the classic period, that is, around the year 250 of our era.

 

Research conducted by anthropologists and authorities of the Honduran Institute of Anthropology and History (IHAH) confirm that the mounds of the main group of Yarumela are almost five times larger than those built in any of the secondary centers contemporary to it.

 

It is also noteworthy that the mounds were scattered at intervals of 5 to 10 kilometers along the mountainous fringe of the Comayagua valley.

 

The archaeological site found in Yarumela is dominated by the so-called structure 101, known by the inhabitants of the sector as Cerrito de David, which is about 20 meters high.

 

Within this area there is a 9 meter high central plaza, another structure on the banks of the Humuya River and four three meter high mounds. In addition, in less evident groupings and scattered throughout the site, there are ten mounds and several destroyed platforms, which means that the proto-Lenca sites were extensive.

[Duileoga]

20 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Parece la zona del Valle de Comayagua, la antigua capital de Honduras.

Si , precisamente lo és  , también sus tierras ocuparían la actual Tegucigalpa.

[Duileoga]

20 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

The complementary names "Valladolid" or "Country of the Higueras" were those that the Spaniards gave it, but it kept the original name of the place, which is purely indigenous. Some differ in its etymology, but most agree that it is composed of «koma» (which in Lenca dialect means Huge amount of land) and «Jawa», (that means water) its true meaning being «abundant land of water».

 

During the Pre-Columbian era the valley in which the city is located was populated by Lenca people, a Mesomaerican native culture that still prevails in Honduras. Archaeological remains such as Yarumela show that these natives have populated the valley since approximately 1,000 B.C.

 

The flat topography and subtropical climate helped these natives to prosper and built its own societies and towns, most of its economic activities were the control of trade routes that connected the Caribbean sea to the Pacific Ocean. During the colonization of the American continent the Spaniard conquistadors founded a rich valley with different Lencan towns, most of them well organized with a high social stratification. these natives were the ones that gave a well-done resistance during the conquest of Honduras.

 

 

Muchas gracias por las aportaciones, me encantará seguir todo lo que nos presente.

[Duileoga]

20 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Yarumela also known as El Chilcal, was one of the sites located in Honduras and based around the Middle Formative era in Mesoamerican history, occupied between 1000 BC and AD 200 by the ancestros of the Lencan culture also known as the Proto-lencan people. During its heyday at the end of the Preclassic mesoamerican period was a popular trade center, especially for precious commoditiesLocated sixty kilometres south of the Los Naranjos, the site of Yarumela yielded information that led archaeologists to believe that it was another imposing Middle Formative center. This information also led archaeologists to believe that Yarumela as a center had a focus on precious commodities. Much like the settlement found at Los Naranjos, Yarumela’s area was protected by the location in which it was found. On the eastern side, the settlement at Yarumela was protected by the Humuya River, which was a branch off of the Ulua, and on the western side it was protected by a large man-made ditch.

 

The settlement at Yarumela was considered to be a large and prosperous trade center; archaeologists determined this from the numerous large structure mounds they found on the site as well as some of the material artifacts located there as well. Artifacts like shells, jadeite, obsidian fragments as well as exotic ceramics.

Ni idea que esto estaba en Honduras.

I had no idea this was in Honduras.lol.

 

 

 

 

 

¿Debería llamarlos "Auxiliares Lencas" o "Auxiliares Proto-lencas"?

 

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[Duileoga]

20 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Yarumela was a town (un pueblo) before, my great-great-grandmother was from Comayagua.

-Yo pensé que se podría hacer un mapa de la zona llamado "Reino de Yaruma" , pero también se le puede llamar  como " Valle de Comayagua" ,¿no? ,pero tengo pocas referencias de la época preclásica o protoclásica.

 

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[Lion.Kanzen]

1 hour ago, Duileoga said:

-Yo pensé que se podría hacer un mapa de la zona llamado "Reino de Yaruma" , pero también se le puede llamar  como " Valle de Comayagua" ,¿no? ,pero tengo pocas referencias de la época preclásica o protoclásica.

 

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son diferentes biomas, aún que parezca una región pequeña.

 

Comayagua es un Valle, de los pocos que Honduras tiene.

Es normal que no tengas referencias. Se descubrió en 2019, lo que significa que hay más por descubrir.

 

Y que mi información histórica de mi país ahora es algo obsoleta.(época precolonial)

Siempre este territorio se ha visto como frontera con poco desarrollo cultural.

 

[Duileoga]

On 28/04/2022 at 12:02 AM, Lion.Kanzen said:

Parece la zona del Valle de Comayagua, la antigua capital de Honduras.

@Lion.Kanzen¿Qué opina de las unidades Lencas ? (si cometí errores los corregiré y pido disculpas si ese es el caso)

 

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[Lion.Kanzen]

2 hours ago, Duileoga said:

@Lion.Kanzen¿Qué opina de las unidades Lencas ? (si cometí errores los corregiré y pido disculpas si ese es el caso)

 

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No soy una persona woke( progresista) para ofenderme con facilidad.

Opino que están bien, tampoco es que se sepa demasiado de los Lencas.

La imagen más icónica de un Lenca es la del indio Lempira en el billete que lleva su nombre. Está basado en un soldado hondureño Lenca para retratar a su antepasado.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

30 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

La imagen más icónica de un Lenca es la del indio Lempira en el billete que lleva su nombre. Está basado en un soldado hondureño Lenca para retratar a su antepasado.

El soldado que sirvió para hacer este retrato es.

José Serapio Guitierrez. En aquel entonces tenía 18 años.

[Lion.Kanzen]

[Duileoga]

11 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

-Me gusta la idea de pinturas de guerra , sobre todo las del rostro (espero que también las usaran en el Preclásico)

[Duileoga]

On 29/04/2022 at 3:39 AM, Lion.Kanzen said:

Buenos días o tardes;

-Aspecto remodelado para las unidades lencas siguiendo la referencia de @Lion.Kanzen;

Unidades lencas 

(Arquero)

Fase 3;

(Vista general)

 

(Lancero)

fase 3 ;

(vista general)

 

Textura rostros lencas fase 3;

1-

 

2-

 

3-

 

4-

 

 

 

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[Duileoga]

Buenos días o tardes;

-Hay muchísima diversidad arquitectónica en la cultura maya con veintenas sino más de variaciones regionales e incluso por cada una de la "Ciudades Estado Mayas" (ya subí unos mapas con más de 110 ciudades mayas y cada vez encuentro más...)y por eso hice entre 2-4 modelos para cada uno de los edificios (específicos y comunes) pero aún así no cubro , por eso hice más edificios , pero serían para el editor de mapas (cosa que ya ocurre ,con persas y cartagineses), para abarcar toda la diversidad de la cultura maya ;

Edificios mayas (Para el editor de mapas)

 

Casas de la nobleza;

modelo-1

modelo-2

modelo-3

modelo-4

 

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[Duileoga]

Más edificios mayas (Para el editor de escenarios):

Cenador;

 

Pasarela;

Modelos 1 y 2

Modelo 3

 

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[Duileoga]

El resto de edificios mayas para el editor de escenarios;

-Conjuntos triádicos;

Modelo-1

Modelo-2

 

 

-Gran Pirámide bicéfala;

 

-Pirámide de la Danta (ciudad de "El Mirador")

 

-Plataforma maya;

 

 

CATÁLOGO DE EDIFICIOS (Para editor de Escenarios)

 

 

 

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