Uppy Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 The gas prices are outragious, I don't really know why ,though, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the government raised taxes about 610%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCobra1 Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Okay, I know that isn't uppy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgeonSurgeon2000 Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 I can imagine, but all the bills he has to pay probably forces him to raise his prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av_nefardec Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Well the price of Crude Oil at this point is quite high, with the instability of the regions from which the US buys oil (venezuela, middle east), resulting in higher expenses for everything after it in the gasoline chain. It's called the multiplier effect in economics. Basically it means that one effect is going to have multiple repercussions throughout the economic system that add up to great amounds. So for instance - if crude costs more, than the refineries lose more money so to make a profit they have to charge even more, and then the gasoline companies have to charge more in turn. That sort of thing. The government has relatively little control over the prices of gas. Despite what the media might be trying to tell you - they always talk about using the "Strategic Oil Reserve", using those reserve barrels actually won't change the prices much - maybe only as much as three cents. Bill Clinton actually tapped into the reserve at the end of his presidency to help his VP Al Gore get elected, and prices only went down a penny. So people that are blaming the White House for this are either misled or are trying to mislead you IIRC The Saudi government just made a deal with the US government to increase the export size from 8 billion barrels to 9 billion barrels which hopefully will result in some lower prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohirwine Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Well, maybe some causes are to be searched in the US government politics in both ME and Venezuela... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufinwe Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 (IIRC The Saudi government just made a deal with the US government to increase the export size from 8 billion barrels to 9 billion barrels which hopefully will result in some lower prices. Yes indeed, but at one point, the daily oil exprotation won't raise any longer and oil prices will rise higher and higher ... the whole point is about oil consumption in the US ... I remember when I went to the US, I was outraged by the low price of oil ... it doesn't encourage people to reduce their oil consumption. Moreover, with enormous engines (like what I rented was a V8 3.2l van) you cannot save a penny on oil. When American cars use as little oil as European cars do, maybe there will be a change in oil prices ...Same with electricity producing. Europe has, in the whole, given up oil-produced electricity. France works with 85% nuclear power, Germany is counting on its ecological power, so is Denmark, etc ...Just a remark ... shouldn't this thread be in Hall of Intellectuals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohirwine Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Agreed: this is turning out to be well suited with the HoI, but as long as many people argued about the "too much spamming in the General Chat", it could wait here a bit, just to improve the overall level... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Op Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Meh, might as well stick this here since this thread started as a compliant more or less. Besides it got twisted into a HoI debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uppy Posted June 1, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 My dad said that the goverment is forceing the gas stations to raise there prices because they say that do not have anough money wich is not true so says my source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohirwine Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Meh, might as well stick this here since this thread started as a compliant more or less. Besides it got twisted into a HoI debate. Corrupted, it got corrupted to a HoI debate... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeru Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 The primary cause for the oil price rising is the economic boom the entire world has been undergoing recently, especially China and the USA, which raised demand for oil, raising the prices. Of course, issues concerning the stability in oil-exporting countries (especially Iraq) contributed to this as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uppy Posted June 3, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 My source says that America has plenty of oil they just want more money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Op Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Yeah, people say a lot of things about us, like we went into Iraq just for oil, we're coverring up evidence of alien visits to Earth, ect. But those IMHO are just opinions made by others for various reasons, and unless proof can be found to prove their opinion correct, it remains nothing more than a opinion.Sorry for that rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SturgeonSurgeon2000 Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 My Dad says that America has plenty of oil to support itself, but fanatical enviromentalists keep oil rigs from starting work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeru Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 BTWThe gas prices are outragiousThey are still cheaper than the usual prices in Europe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaRdi Posted June 4, 2004 Report Share Posted June 4, 2004 how much is it over there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uppy Posted June 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 Pretty expensive I heard like in Americanmoney I think about three dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaRdi Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 wow.. that's a lot more than in norway.. about 10NOK (much, usually it was 8-9) in dollars that is about 1.2-1.3.. i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufinwe Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 (In Europe, it is approximately $1 per liter ... so that is $5 per gallon!!I remember when I last went to the US, it was $1 a gallon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Op Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 It's more than $2 a gallon here now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yiuel Posted June 5, 2004 Report Share Posted June 5, 2004 Prices can vary.Here, where I live, in a small town north of Montreal, the price of gaz is about 0,93 $CA/L. In Montreal, they are about 1 $CA/L (in fact, a little less, because when it will reach 1$, people will freak out in Quebec). (1 $CA = 0,75 $US = 0,63 EUR ; 1 US-GAL = 3,875 L)As for prices, we have the highest prices of North America, but they are somehow lower than in Europe. Why it is so is that no more Gaz is produced in Quebec, everything being produced in Ontario (Sarnia's fields). We also have higher taxes on gaz, which brings up a little higher the gaz price. Importing is always high-costing. Importe implies a lot of costs, but instability indeed plays a lot, but not as much as we could think. In Quebec, we rely on gaz that mostly comes from Europe (North Sea). That's why in Quebec, we are mostly against using Gaz to produce electricity (we use Hydroelectricity, and were moving on Windmill-electricity , because it's becoming cheap in Quebec ). In fact, we have the cheapest price on electricity : everyone wants to by electricity to us. New York City indeed is one of a possible buyer . Also, there are researches on electric cars, and there are some already built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uppy Posted June 6, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 I read in the newspaper that in Great Britan it is $5 a gallon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufinwe Posted June 6, 2004 Report Share Posted June 6, 2004 (Well, same as in the whole of Europe ... Gas is $5 a gallon ... that is €5 a gallon (or €1 a liter )Seems pretty normal to me ... at least, we try to economise it and our car companies (Renault, VW, Peugeot, Seat, Fiat, etc ...) do their best to design car that spend roughly 5 liter per 100 km ... that is 70 miles a gallon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uppy Posted June 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 Well I meant $5.80 but I just said $5 for short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curufinwe Posted June 12, 2004 Report Share Posted June 12, 2004 (Well, even more expensive than in the US Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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