Civ: Eastern Romans/Early Byzantines

[Flavius Aetius]

Oh yes. Building styles, Military, Appearance, and Heroes were vastly different for each of those 4 basic Byzantine Eras. I'm no expert on Byzantine, but I've learned a lot through Byzantine reenactors. I can give basics.

IMPORTANT EDIT:

Should we split this topid between "Late Romans" and "Byzantines"? Beacuse it was a pretty big differentiation in culture, organization, and military.

Edited April 25, 2014 by Flavius Aetius

[niektb]

Depends on what you see as "Late Romans". With the word Late Romans I think of the Romans at the time of (just before) the Fall of the Western Empire.

Just a question, we from Millennium A.D. are planning a Byzantine faction (the first part of Millennium A.D. goes from the Fall of the Western Empire till the founding of the Holy Roman Empire), I would like it very much if you would contribute to that with ideas, research and references (Guessing you already have done a lot from it):

(Just created a topic for it.)

http://www.wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=18560

[Radagast.]

Mythos_Ruler also called his thread 'Early Byzantines' for a reason I guess. So yes, then we need to split.

The new topic is then rather for the Non-Early- to Late Byzantines. How do we manage the real late Byzantines when they were only left in Constantinople until Master John Hyunadi's King (aged 18) thought he better takes command from the experienced general and thus just doomed the whole western world (as the Thurks, already on retreat at this point of battle turned the tide after the young King thought he personally could easily kill the Thurk leader and all his elite soldiers ... )?

Btw. John Hyunyadi is the reason why the bells ring mid day in the western world ... (when he stopped the invasion before the aforementioned catastrophe)

The context is, that Constantinople fell as a consequence to this lost battle, where the Hungarian King took command from Hyunyadi.

[Flavius Aetius]

Depends on what you see as "Late Romans". With the word Late Romans I think of the Romans at the time of (just before) the Fall of the Western Empire.

Late Roman is technically defined as 284-638 AD but the army I posted is The army of about 324-476 AD.

EDIT: I made a topic in the ideas and suggestions forum.

Just a question, we from Millennium A.D. are planning a Byzantine faction (the first part of Millennium A.D. goes from the Fall of the Western Empire till the founding of the Holy Roman Empire), I would like it very much if you would contribute to that with ideas, research and references (Guessing you already have done a lot from it):

I can answer questions you have, but a lot of my time is dedicated. Thanks for the offer though.

Edited April 25, 2014 by Flavius Aetius

[Radagast.]

It's a pity that some of Mythos' posted images are no longer shown (dead links by now). We should tackle this before all the other images share their fate.

I really wish to see the Invincibles. The elite horsemen, which got more and more rare at the end.

[Flavius Aetius]

You mean the Optimatoi? They were a unit of elite Byzantine Kataphraktoi/Klivanoi (Catafractarii/Clibanarii, the latter of which is where Klivanion comes from).

Edited April 25, 2014 by Flavius Aetius

[niektb]

I think he refers to the Immortals (not the Persian Guard).

[Radagast.]

Thank you. How could I mix this up?
Immortals and Invincible, the difference is significant. Hephaestion ->

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31fCevySR6A

Yes, Optimatoi. Could we have them really significant?

It is said the losses were always kept as low as possible - how could we achieve that?

@Flavius Aetius: Awesome post in the discussion thread. Now we have two more Roman factions in the workings. I have to parse all available data and put it into my civ generator ... just working on it.

Edited April 25, 2014 by Hephaestion

[Mythos_Ruler]

For 0 A.D. Empires Besieged, I think we should pick a timeframe of 400-600 for the "Eastern Romans." I use "Late Romans" and "Eastern Romans" and "Early Byzantines" interchangeably here because I want to convey a specific idea, that being of a faction that is not the "typical" Hollywood Romans, but that of a later, more Eastern period. Certainly, the "Eastern" Roman Empire was just as "Roman" as the Western half. In fact, the Byzantines called themselves "Romans" and their contemporaries called them "Romans," and they were a direct descended line from the Roman state. But they did have stark differences from what came before, so it would be very cool to have a faction in the game that portrays those evolved differences.

[Lion.Kanzen]

IMG tags wouldn't work, maybe because I'm new?

BTW, this game is great and I've wanted to contribute to the Late Roman part of it in some form for a while. I just never knew it had a forums.

use imgur for sharing imagen is best and give the possibility of copy as bbcode and use copy and paste to uplad pics.

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Edited April 26, 2014 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

those are Comitatensis soldiers.

Edited April 26, 2014 by Lion.Kanzen

[Mythos_Ruler]

That last guy is throwing a plumbata. We'll definitely include such a weapon.

[Lion.Kanzen]

That last guy is throwing a plumbata. We'll definitely include such a weapon.

was great searching.

I think the three images are how throwing a Plumbatae

Edited April 26, 2014 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

[Lion.Kanzen]

Edited April 26, 2014 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgqRgh-qAXo

[Lion.Kanzen]

[Lion.Kanzen]

[Mythos_Ruler]

http://www.antoine-helbert.com/fr/portfolio/annexe-work/byzance-architecture.html

[Flavius Aetius]

EDIT: Realized you're talking 4th-6th centuries. Plumbatae are fine.

I can't see the images ATM cause I'm at school, but will comment when I'm home.

Edited April 28, 2014 by Flavius Aetius

[Lion.Kanzen]

[Lion.Kanzen]

 

 

probably this need a new animation.

[Lion.Kanzen]

http://romanrecruit.weebly.com/shield.html

 

Above: Wooden shield found at Dura Europus (AD 260) depicting an Eastern warrior god. This may be a unit insignia (illustration G.Sumner) Left: A reconstruction of the warrior god shield carried by Fortunatus. Note the size and the protection it provides, leaving only his face, foot and hand open to attack.

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

[Lion.Kanzen]

 

The Cheiroballistra, also known as the manuballista, was a crossbow that was occasionally used by the romans. The ancient world knew a variety of mechanical hand-held weapons similar to the later medieval crossbow. The exact terminology is a subject of continuing scholarly debate. Romanauthors like Vegetius (fl. 4th century) note repeatedly the use of arrow shooting weapons such as arcuballista and manuballista respectively cheiroballista. While most scholars agree that one or more of these terms refer to handheld mechanical weapons, there is disagreement whether these were flexion bows or torsion powered like the recent Xanten find.^[10]

The Roman commander Arrian (c. 86 – after 146) records in his Tactica Roman cavalry training for shooting some mechanical handheld weapon from horseback.^[11] Sculptural reliefs from Roman Gauldepict the use of crossbows in hunting scenes. These are remarkably similar to the later medieval crossbow.^[12]

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Edited March 16, 2017 by Lion.Kanzen