krt0143 Posted September 21, 2023 Report Share Posted September 21, 2023 To test my new units I made a quick & dirty scenario with enough resources to pass immediately to the second age (yes, there are cheats for that but I'm old-fashioned that way). So I set all 4 of the Player 1's starting resources to 1000, started a game and -- My resources were of 300. Actually, whatever I put in there, in the game I get 300... It does not to take into account the "Resources" setting, even if the map specifies otherwise you'll get the default 300. WTF? I noticed in the game the map settings panel on the right stubbornly says "Starting Resources: Low (300)", but how do you tell it to actually use the map settings? I expected to find some settings option like "Starting Resources: Low/Medium/High/As specified", but didn't find it. The Atlas Manual just say the feature exists, mentions no caveats or addenda. (Note I solved my test problem by placing a bunch of "treasures" in my test map, but I'd still like to know how to tell the game to use the map settings. I mean, if this feature exists, there must be a way to use it, isn't it?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapjas Posted September 21, 2023 Report Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) @krt0143i just tested it and it happens to me aswell, and it shouldn't. There is a ticket for it but it's old and abandoned. As far as that patch goes, i think Wundersam was on the right path, except that the whole point of a scenario is to have fixed settings- that includes pop cap. Edited September 21, 2023 by Grapjas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krt0143 Posted September 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 21/09/2023 at 2:51 PM, Grapjas said: and it shouldn't Expand So it's a bug? On 21/09/2023 at 2:51 PM, Grapjas said: As far as that patch goes, i think Wundersam was on the right path, except that the whole point of a scenario is to have fixed settings- that includes pop cap. Expand Fixed settings, yes, but fixed by whom?... IMHO it's up to the scenario creator to fix them. Never mind the pop cap, since this is more or less a limitation of the game engine, but resources should be freely settable. Imagine a "Nomad" type map where you don't have the resources to build your initial Civil Center! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted September 21, 2023 Report Share Posted September 21, 2023 If you run the simulation in atlas the changed resource amounts should work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapjas Posted September 21, 2023 Report Share Posted September 21, 2023 Yeah i just retested this, seems like before i loaded the wrong map. It works as intended and resources will show as 'per player' in the settings window ingame. Though the custom pop cap still doesn't seem to work. @krt0143 are you sure you are saving your map as a scenario and not as a skirmish? You either need to make a scenario map and give players starting resources or make a skirmish/random map and set the resources to high ingame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krt0143 Posted September 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 21/09/2023 at 4:36 PM, Grapjas said: @krt0143 are you sure you are saving your map as a scenario and not as a skirmish? Expand Aha! So there is an undocumented difference? Yes, that was a skirmish map. Could we have a comprehensive list of differences between "scenarios" and "skirmishes" (which for me are just a type of scenario) in the Atlas Wiki page? On 21/09/2023 at 4:36 PM, Grapjas said: set the resources to high ingame Expand Where do you do that? I searched, but didn't find it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapjas Posted September 21, 2023 Report Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 21/09/2023 at 4:50 PM, krt0143 said: Could we have a comprehensive list of differences between "scenarios" and "skirmishes" (which for me are just a type of scenario) in the Atlas Wiki page? Expand I might do it if i find the time and motivation. On 21/09/2023 at 4:50 PM, krt0143 said: Where do you do that? I searched, but didn't find it. Expand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krt0143 Posted September 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) On 21/09/2023 at 5:35 PM, Grapjas said: I might do it if i find the time and motivation. Expand It's over there -> Nah, seriously, thank you. On 21/09/2023 at 5:35 PM, Grapjas said: [pic] Expand Uh-oh. Where is that menu you show? Mine is totally different: --Edit to add: Never mind, found it! (Well hidden, kudos... ) Edited September 21, 2023 by krt0143 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted September 21, 2023 Report Share Posted September 21, 2023 On 21/09/2023 at 5:43 PM, krt0143 said: Uh-oh. Where is that menu you show? Mine is totally different: Expand If you look right under the map preview on the right, there are three buttons: Map, Player, Game Type. (Compare @Grapjas arrows.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krt0143 Posted September 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 Yes, found it, thanks. Still, as I said in my edit above, it's well hidden... They should rename this button to "Player Settings", "Player" alone doesn't mean anything. Imagine the button "Game Type" being only called "Game"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapjas Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 On 22/09/2023 at 8:46 AM, krt0143 said: They should rename this button to "Player Settings", "Player" alone doesn't mean anything. Imagine the button "Game Type" being only called "Game"... Expand If you want, you can contribute to the game by making a patch. Seems like a perfect beginner patch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krt0143 Posted September 22, 2023 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 On 22/09/2023 at 9:59 AM, Grapjas said: by making a patch Expand Except that I don't know how... I'm not a programmer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted September 22, 2023 Report Share Posted September 22, 2023 The differences between a skirmish map and a scenario, is that a skirmish allows the players to choose their civs and the host to choose all kinds of settings, while a scenario is basically locked to what the designer has decided, creating a specific scenario or story 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
man_s_our Posted October 26, 2023 Report Share Posted October 26, 2023 On 22/09/2023 at 10:22 AM, krt0143 said: Except that I don't know how... I'm not a programmer. Expand is just string replacing. not programing. but yeah, you need to know where the string is located. you can do it by searching the entire folders for the string. I do that on linux using Regexxer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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