[A27: Very poor performance on weak hardware?]

commands.txt

Here is the replay I used to profile the issue.

[New portriats/icons and actors]

yes the icons got moved into sub-folders. Some other things as well.

[The Problem With Hippocrates]

I read he was made an Athenian citizen, and elsewhere that Kos was in a partnership with athens during his lifetime.

https://kos.gr/hippocrates/life-and-legacy

[Profiler2 not working]

did your profile generate with any errors? In my case, I ran into an error and aborted the non-visual replay, then the profile loaded ok. I had this issue with a couple of replays before I used this one (https://gitea.wildfiregames.com/0ad/0ad/issues/7589#issuecomment-111680) and aborted it after the first error.

I suppose it also could be too big.

[City phase/p3 two difrerent requirements?]

Other techs make use of "any" and "all" to specify compound requirements. I think using "all" might work here.

[A27: Very poor performance on weak hardware?]

I recommend doing combat demo huge without the petra AI. It helps to have that variable out of the picture. Same for profiling.

[Ideas for the next alpha... uh, I mean beta - and spicing up the game's content]

1 minute ago, Genava55 said:

49 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

I think it would be fine to employ legends and oral histories as hero inspirations.

Welcome to Achilles, Cúchulainn and Beowulf ?

no. Thats not what I meant.

In American cultures there is often little or no writing. So using these as inspiration makes sense.

[Ideas for the next alpha... uh, I mean beta - and spicing up the game's content]

I think it would be fine to employ legends and oral histories as hero inspirations.

[A27: Very poor performance on weak hardware?]

On 31/01/2025 at 5:26 AM, Meister said:

I had up to 10 fps, but when it came to a 200 pop situation, it was more like 0.5 to 1 fps. I played with lowest graphic settings, which used to get me 20-40 fps on a26. I tried both OpenGL and Vulkan, no notable difference detected.
Any idea why it is so much slower now?

are your a26 numbers including autociv? The feature that turns off bodies is pretty impactful when big fights are happening.

[A27: Very poor performance on weak hardware?]

@leopard if you can do combat demo huge with better than 20 fps at minimum, please join us.

[A27: Very poor performance on weak hardware?]

Could we schedule a "fast PC" TG for this weekend? I expect that those with really slow computers or adversely affected setups like @Meister are slowing turns for everyone, leading to many reports from players that otherwise have good performance. However, I have never really tried to verify this is the case.

If we get a 4v4 where everyone has ideally >20 fps (min) in combat demo huge (found in scenarios -> demo maps -> combat demo (huge)), we can make sure that this is really the cause.

I'd like to do it on Sunday, maybe when we did the a27 RC test, 18:00 UTC.

@MetaPhyZic @BreakfastBurrito_007 @Ginnungagap, and any others that have good performance in a27.

[How to attract more lobby players?]

1 hour ago, borg- said:

Well, I'm short on time now, but I'm still willing to help with the gameplay. I think I've always had good ideas and I can continue contributing to make the A28 even better. I'll take some time to put together some patches.

eae, ill be glad to help

[A27: Very poor performance on weak hardware?]

Its true, your fps is changing quite a bit.

Do the stutters happen in combat demo huge? (Scenarios -> Demo Maps -> combat demo (huge))

if they don't, I think they might be because of someone else in that game slowing things down for everyone. For example, when the women are stopped, the walking animation is still playing smoothly.

[A27: Very poor performance on weak hardware?]

I can do combat demo huge with and without gpu skinning and its a bit better with skinning. I definitely don't have this issue.

Combat demo huge is a good way to see what settings are good for the laggiest parts of games.

[connection refused to server]

i'm pretty sure this means the lobby is down.

[graphic problem in a27]

@king reza the great I have no idea if its the problem, but gpu skinning is in settings. Its the third option from the top in graphics (advanced).

[Discussion Soil mechanic]

  

9 hours ago, Grautvornix said:

You are right - apologies for misplacing the proposal in the wrong thread! An also, before we add the visualization of such aura we need to implement the feature in the game mechanics.

Just a few more words on the visualization concept: Obviously, this cannot be an "aura marker" like for the temple or towers as the terrain is not a selectable unit. For me it would appear most intuitive if I place the fields in a greener area in the desert, e.g. around an oasis, and not onto pure sand or rock area (same for paved areas around CC and roads of course - or is there a penalty already?).

I am aware that we do have already the prepared farmland terrain feature (looking great and inviting to build a farm) on non-desert maps. On desert maps, this might look strange if an oasis would be surrounded by prepared farmland with trees on it. Could we possibly visualize good farmland by slightly darker sand with a bit of green? I mean basically, the area surrounding the oasis itself should be suitable up to a certain distance.

In addition we would then also need kind of a tooltip for such things (could be part of the tips & tricks page by @Vanthaand @ShadowOfHassen.

8 hours ago, Radiotraining said:

I think the best way would be to "teach" the player about the different areas as a general feature in the game. So when you placea new farm you'll have different shades of green depending on the area and how much 'productive' it would be: a bright green for good areas (maybe green biomes or near a farmstead) and a desaturated value the farther you go. At that point, is already clear that a desaturated green when you build means: "not much productive" 

Continuing this in a more appropriate topic.

I get that placing farms in deserts is unrealistic. However, introducing a soil quality (and water availability, which I have seen suggested) system based on terrain simply doesn't fit with the abstraction level of the game. In multiplayer, it would probably just be annoying to worry about whether or not you can expect the normal amount of food from a farm.

However, rather than penalizing farm placement depending on the terrain (desert, snowy, mountainous) for all maps, it could be made "opt-in": it could be set it up as a neutral feature of certain skirmish maps for which it is the focus of the map.

I.e Add two "well" structures in a valley that cannot be destroyed, but only captured. These provide a 30% farming bonus in a 50 meter radius. Players descend from opposing mountain ranges to take control of the wells.

[Art Goals -- Release 28]

@Obskiuras Currently, it looks very similar to the siege workshop, and I think its a bit too large.

The A-frame style is good, so it could be reduced to one roofed structure with stalls, wagons etc around it.

This was my idea:

@wowgetoffyourcellphone came up with this mock-up:

Experiment with some if you have time, im sure there's plenty of approaches that would look nice.

 

[What are your favorite songs in 0 A.D.?]

I like the OG honor bound too:

 

[a27 weekend gameplay testing]

For me, it took a double click on my own game in the lobby.

[a27 weekend gameplay testing]

@Ginnungagap @BreakfastBurrito_007 @guerringuerrin @chrstgtr @Feldfeld @ValihrAnt @Acero @SaidRdz @Player of 0AD  @Atrik and others.

18:00 UTC Sunday we will aim do do at least 1 4v4 test game. Lets see how the performance upgrades work out!

[a27 weekend gameplay testing]

@Ginnungagap Does 18:00 UTC still work for you for the Sunday pro TG using the release candidate?

[Ranged cavalry should be at the back of formations]

1 hour ago, Acero said:

I dont know if the fix is a simple xml template change or something more complicated. In the former case, maybe a comunity mod would be all we need to fix this long lasting problem.

@real_tabasco_sauce

I think it could be done in a mod. However, after seeing how the com mod split the community in a26, I think a different approach should be taken. If bugs are fixed in the community mod, then it becomes the better version of the game to play, leading to pressure for each addition to be a guaranteed improvement and decreasing the experimental potential of the community mod. I'll lay out my proposition for the community mod in that discussion.

My understanding is that its too late to fix stuff like this for a27, but it absolutely can be fixed for release 28.

[Alpha 27 Feature Freeze]

@Gurken Khan those are commas.

[Alpha 27 Feature Freeze]

On 23/01/2025 at 9:37 AM, Gurken Khan said:

The punctuation is effed. Every description I looked at had periods where I expected commas. Did it get verschlimmbessert automatically? Also "structure" capitalized?

I hope this release doesn't get rushed out the door.

How is it effed? I don't see these periods in your screenshot. Look closer? Or maybe highlight them for us?

I don't remember the description for Boudica being changed in this alpha (edit: 3 years ago for hero garrison, 5 years ago for boudica aura). I think Structure might be capitalized because classes typically get capitalized in descriptions.