MrLux Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) Spoiler I there, I'm taking the liberty to post this thread because I tend to have a lot of question that pop into my head while I'm doing the contributions, and when I started I was a little confuse to where to gather information to start as soon as possible the 'art' part. Tell me if it's redondant. I plan to update this first post with answer and knowledge gathered on various post that I read and also to make sure it's the desired way. So expect it to be a little empty for now. I assume some understanding of 3D terms, but I'm open to make a dictionary to allow complete beginners a way of contribution. -------------------------------------------------------------------Modelling Spoiler What are the limitations for the models in terms of polycount? Quote See the Guideline for extensive info. For reference, small animals is up to fox/chicken size; medium up to dog/wolf/deer; and large bigger than that. Polycount in models is really triangles count, as models need to be constituted of only triangles for the engine. Does the model have to be water thigh? Quote No, to the contrary. Check the low-poly tips and you well see polycount is more important. Beware in animated models, loose geometry must be correctly weight painted to fit the animations. One mesh with high polycount or one mesh with low polycount and many props? Quote For what are props see Export to the Engine; Actors & Templates section. It's better to have more poly in a mesh than to have more props. Even if props are exchangeable and allow variation of content and rapid overall revision, they imply additional drawcalls in the game. So to use with moderation when doing mesh with high poly count. -------------------------------------------------------------------UV-layout Spoiler Should I pack my uv on an extreme lightmap and be done with it ? Quote No. The unwrapping of the uv should allow color correction and texture manipulation afterwards, so unwrapping in a texture artist friendly way is better. For AO map designed to be applied onto buildings, as they are unique, that type of unwrapping is good, allowing maximum information and minimum distortion. The use of texture atlas also doesn't allow any type of unwrapping. It should be done with the atlas in mind. How to optimise my uv ? Quote Mostly think ahead and figure where the texture are similar enough to use the same uv space. Mirror a face, or just turning it by 90deg is often enough to make variation on tethered wall pattern. On buildings look at the atlas already in use for the civilisation. It will allow you to see what types of details and patterns are available. For organic models, to gain space symmetric uvlayout (uvlaout only half of the model and mirror it. working with a mirror modifier in blender until the very end is a good workflow) is a good choice, both by doubling the available resolution of the model and halving the time to texture it. -------------------------------------------------------------------Texturing Spoiler How large are the textures allowed to be? Quote See the the guide on textures for extensive info. - additional info pending What type of textures are in use? Quote The engine shaders can read normal, specular, baseColor (as in albedo plus baked AO) and Ambient occlusion information. Height map are packed in the alpha channel of the normal map. Specular is a RGB file allowing the full game of colors. Specular is also used as a mask for coloring player information into the texture. Specular map will be tinted with the player/config specified color. Should all my models use all textures available? Quote Depends on the size of the object, sometimes diffuse is enough. On an animated mesh (units, animals, etc) Ao is not usable and should be backed into the diffuse. Normal maps are only supported on animated mesh with qpushkinning=true in the config file. That will then limit the number of bones to 64, instead of 255. Can the engine make use of combined textures in RGBA channels? Quote No, in the habitual sense. The engine does not read a Specular/Displacement/Metallic/Ambien Occlusion map on a RGBA file. However, the alpha channel in the normal map is used for parallax occlusion mapping. And the alpha channel of the specular channel allow for a inner glow effect. -------------------------------------------------------------------Rigging Spoiler What are the limitations of my rig? Quote 255 bones is the maximum number of bones the engine can use in a skeleton (inclusion of non deform and helper bones is not verified in that limit). If the skinning option is true for the model (to allow use of normal map), then the maximum number of bones is reduced to 64. -------------------------------------------------------------------Animation Spoiler Under which fps value should I make my animations ? Quote - pending -------------------------------------------------------------------Export to the Engine; Actors & Templates Spoiler What is an actor? Quote In short, Actor is the name of the .xml file that will give all the info to the engine to render correctly the model, it's animations and it's textures. Without an actor file the engine can't read the information in texture and dae files. This great article will explain better what they are and how to use them. What format do 0AD use? Quote For the models, Collada DAE file is the required format. For textures, png format is wanted. The engine will convert them into dds for optimisation sake. Animations are also exported into Collada DAE file. What is a prop and that prop point? Quote In short props point are an empty in the mesh that give the actor file the coordinates to integrate another actor (so another different mesh) at that place, that actor being called a prop. This Q&A explains all of it. What are the naming conventions for the whole thing? Quote This explains the naming convention in full In short: <general>1_<civ>1_<type>_<extra>_<variation>_number2 Note 1: if the folder of the file already as a path explicit of the general purpose and the civilisations, don't put it in the name. Note2: number should be two digits and are optional. eq: _01 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited September 27, 2020 by MrLux 1st batch of answers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLux Posted September 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 So my first question are: Should I lightpack my uv and be done with it ? I've seen the ao texture doing that, but not the rest. I know for buildings it's normal as we use atlases and they need carefull use of uv. But what about unique textures. I'm not knowledgeable of game art logic (yet) so I was wondering why. Should all my models use all textures available? Should I make normal, spec, albedo and ao maps for everything? Can the engine make use of combined textures in RGBA channels? I presume you are familiar with it, but since I didn't see anywhere that type of texture packing I was wondering why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Should I lightpack my uv and be done with it ? I assume you mean Smart UV Project/ Lightmap Pack options of unwrapping in Blender. If that's the case, ambient occlusion is generally the only one that needs that as it's gonna be one texture per model (Although you can sometime manage to use the same texture, eg baking props with the main mesh) In general unique texture should be retexturable in photoshop for skins, so if you use lightmap or smart uv project that's literally impossible. 1 hour ago, MrLux said: Should all my models use all textures available? Should I make normal, spec, albedo and ao maps for everything? Depends on the size of the object, sometimes diffuse is enough. Also note that you can't use AO with animated mesh and you need to bake it into the diffuse, and that normal maps only are supported with animated mesh if you add gpuskinning=true to your config file (That's also what limits the number of bones to 64, else it's 255) I'm not sure the helper bones count into that 64 I think it's only those with weights. 1 hour ago, MrLux said: Can the engine make use of combined textures in RGBA channels? I presume you are familiar with it, but since I didn't see anywhere that type of texture packing I was wondering why? Actually I'm not sure, can you show me an example ? 1 hour ago, MrLux said: normal, spec, albedo and ao Also note that Albedo is for PBR engines, and that most of the time we need to bake light information in the diffuse, because 0 A.D uses a spec/norm/diff rendering Specular is not limited to black and white, you can also use colors. Transparency used with specular and the glow material creates an inner glow (as in you won't see light on other surfaces) Transparency on normal maps creates a parallax effect. AO Maps should not have an alpha channel, although it is supported and does nothing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 Also good initiative, I usually answer a lot of messages on Discord Maybe this way I can redirect some of the questions here. Although it should be in the wiki eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLux Posted September 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 (edited) If we bake ao into the diffuse, why do buildings have an Ao map ? This is a example of a packed texture. It's for a pbr material but the idea is that the specular texture (in this case all is black and white) is in the red channel, roughness in the green, displacement (or height) in the blue and ao in the alpha. Then the shader gets from those channels the information, instead of getting it off 4 different textures. It helps reducing the size. In our case, i guess specular is tricky because it can be colored but if not, ao, specular and maybe height could be packed in one texture instead of having 3. Spoiler Quote Transparency on normal maps creates a parallax effect. sorry, don't compute. I mean I really don't get it. edit: Thanks, but I didn't know 0AD had a discord. Where is the link ? Edited September 21, 2020 by MrLux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, MrLux said: If we bake ao into the diffuse, why do buildings have an Ao map ? We only do when we need to. You can't bake AO on a texture atlas You could bake a new texture from the Atlas but then you'll lose all the advantages of the texture atlas, about performance and reusability 3 minutes ago, MrLux said: sorry, don't compute. I mean I really don't get it. We use the alpha channel as the height channel That's the only case of texture combination I know. Shaders would have to be edited in order to process the others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrLux Posted September 21, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Stan` said: We only do when we need to. You can't bake AO on a texture atlas You could bake a new texture from the Atlas but then you'll lose all the advantages of the texture atlas, about performance and reusability Where I'm not getting it it's how to express multiple uvmap in the engine, because ao uv use and diffuse use are not on the same uvmap 1 minute ago, Stan` said: We use the alpha channel as the height channel That's the only case of texture combination I know. Ahhh, yeah of course. So for the other types, no use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 21, 2020 Report Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 minute ago, MrLux said: Ahhh, yeah of course. So for the other types, no use? Not that I know of. 1 minute ago, MrLux said: Where I'm not getting it it's how to express multiple uvmap in the engine, because ao uv use and diffuse use are not on the same uvmap The engine only knows those two for now. The shaders are told to use UV1 for diffuse and UV2 for AOmap you cannot override this. You're limited to one material per model 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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