People don't use archer units and archer civs

[thankforpie]

It's probably least used unit in game.Archer cav,chariots and infantry is really underpowered.

 

 

Civs like carthaginian,mauryan,persian,kushites have only archers, dont have slingers or skirmishers.  while for persia thats not bigproblem because most persian users spam horses and end up with good results, other 3 mentioned civs arent played at all because of too low dps.

 

(other civs who have archer and either slinger or skirmisher - their players never pick archers)

 

ptolemies when run out of stone and iron can as well resign because they wont survive next attack with only camels and pikemen(lol). while pikes are good, camels do no dmg (they have bow).

 

Its currently ranged unit meta by far and while i dont have anything against it, you have to spam ranged units to win game but what in case when ur only ranged unit is archer? people simply skip these civs

 

IMO archer buff even small one would make these mentioned civs much more played (not saying that ptolemies are weak or not used, just their camels are)

and archery tradition while seems to help, its still nowhere close to dps that can win u fight vs gauls or any skirmisher/slinger civ

 

 

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(Ironic..anyone still remembers the cries of “OP archer cav mass”?)

[Jofursloft]

1 hour ago, thankforpie said:

Civs like carthaginian,mauryan,persian,kushites have only archers, dont have slingers or skirmishers.  while for persia thats not bigproblem because most persian users spam horses and end up with good results, other 3 mentioned civs arent played at all because of too low dps.

Persian and kushites have also skirmishers

1 hour ago, thankforpie said:

ptolemies when run out of stone and iron can as well resign because they wont survive next attack with only camels and pikemen(lol). while pikes are good, camels do no dmg (they have bow).

Camels are OP mostly in early and late game, cause of their fantastic range that allows them to attack / run away very fast without be hit. They are the best cav unit to amass for a rush

[thankforpie]

1 hour ago, Jofursloft said:

Persian and kushites have also skirmishers

Camels are OP mostly in early and late game, cause of their fantastic range that allows them to attack / run away very fast without be hit. They are the best cav unit to amass for a rush

indeed camels are op in rush and hit and runs especially early but how will hit and run help you when whole enemy army attacks your base? if you hit and run in such case they will kill your buildings and other units, if you stay and atk them they will deal higher dps than you (assuming they spammed slingers/skirmishers and you spammer archer units)

[ValihrAnt]

2 minutes ago, thankforpie said:

if you stay and atk them they will deal higher dps than you

DPS doesn't mean much in cavalry archer case. Cavalry have what infantry lack, mobility. I've recently played most of my 1v1 with Seleucids and Persians doing cavalry archers, and haven't had trouble dealing with skirmishers or slingers a single time no matter how outnumbered. Freehand formation draw is very useful in doing this too. A buff to cavalry archers will simply do what @(-_-) mentioned.

A slight buff to infantry archers would be nice though. They simply don't compare to slingers or skirmishers. Though the major reason these civilisations aren't played is how OP Ptolemies, Britons and Gauls are. I don't remember the last time I've seen Macedonians being played even though they're a skirmisher civ.