===[TASK]=== Wooden Theatron for the Spartans (and Thebans)

[Thalatta]

49 minutes ago, nifa said:

Are you sure it is unique, it seems to fit to the timeframe, why wouldn't it be build the same way in Athens?

Well, from what we have already seen, everyone had their own way to do things. They themselves show that reconstruction for the theatre in Athens, stating it came from "attempting a rational reconstruction effort", and that "static and dynamic analysis and simulation of the mechanism kinematics were performed".

Then, your link mentions foundations "of similar dimensions and general shape but without a sloping floor are known from theaters at Megalopolis, Eretria, Sparta, and Elis", implying their absence in famous city-states like Athens (whose foundations are known, and different). For Sparta, it would refer to the theatre from Late Hellenistic or Roman times previously discussed. They conclude that "the existence of similar foundations in the theaters of Megalopolis and Eretria, indicating their use for specific purposes connected with the needs of the drama makes the twin-facing stone base in the theater of Phlius unique", and "this approach will be useful for the reconstruction of mechanisms that may apply in the theaters of Megalopolis and Eretria, where similar stone foundations exist".

For Athens, I found this: https://www.academia.edu/89373449/_Deus_Ex_Machina_reconstruction_in_the_Athens_theater_of_Dionysus, can you see it? Check the design specifications in 5.2 (taken "from the archeological and historical evidence discussed above"), and the reconstructions shown in the following pages (here some):

In any case, your model could maybe be used for the Macedonians, if the Hellenistic theatre of Ohrid (and not the one of Aigai) is used, because I couldn't find anything regarding its mechanism (although the lack of similar foundations could be considered evidence against this).

[nifa]

2 hours ago, Thalatta said:

Well, from what we have already seen, everyone had their own way to do things. They themselves show that reconstruction for the theatre in Athens, stating it came from "attempting a rational reconstruction effort", and that "static and dynamic analysis and simulation of the mechanism kinematics were performed".

Then, your link mentions foundations "of similar dimensions and general shape but without a sloping floor are known from theaters at Megalopolis, Eretria, Sparta, and Elis", implying their absence in famous city-states like Athens (whose foundations are known, and different). For Sparta, it would refer to the theatre from Late Hellenistic or Roman times previously discussed. They conclude that "the existence of similar foundations in the theaters of Megalopolis and Eretria, indicating their use for specific purposes connected with the needs of the drama makes the twin-facing stone base in the theater of Phlius unique", and "this approach will be useful for the reconstruction of mechanisms that may apply in the theaters of Megalopolis and Eretria, where similar stone foundations exist".

For Athens, I found this: https://www.academia.edu/89373449/_Deus_Ex_Machina_reconstruction_in_the_Athens_theater_of_Dionysus, can you see it? Check the design specifications in 5.2 (taken "from the archeological and historical evidence discussed above"), and the reconstructions shown in the following pages (here some):

In any case, your model could maybe be used for the Macedonians, if the Hellenistic theatre of Ohrid (and not the one of Aigai) is used, because I couldn't find anything regarding its mechanism (although the lack of similar foundations could be considered evidence against this).

I've got access, thanks! Looks nice too, I will add this one then

[nifa]

For the record, there are two old models already in the game as actors (special/old/hellenes_theatre.xml):

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The left skene seems to be from lycurgan phase, the right one from hellenistic. See also: 

https://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/art_source/trunk/concept art/structures/rtheater.jpg (roman theater)

https://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/art_source/trunk/concept art/structures/hellenes-specialbuilding-theatrondetail.jpg

https://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/art_source/trunk/concept art/structures/MDHafer-hellenestheatron001.jpg

Seems to me like the first concepts were more accurate somehow

Edited Friday at 10:44 by nifa

[nifa]

Got distracted, modelled the athenian theater of dionysos during the Lycurgan Phase instead.

WIP, ao, props and details are coming at the end. For now I'd be happy about some feedback about layout, scale, historic accuracy. I chose a stoa with doric columns for the backside hall. For the front stage I'm not sure if doric or ionic columns are more accurate.

 

Other side:

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The difficult part are the proportions. The actual, historic, Skene was actually way longer to the sides. I started with an accurate floor plan but I had to squeeze it in x-direction, while keeping the height. 

I also went with a much larger footprint. The smaller current Theatron looks odd imo. It's only buildable once in the game anyway. Still, it comes out a bit bigger than the Parthenon:

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Here's an older version of a round theatron that we could use for other factions:

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