zoot Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Post your requests/suggestions for changes that will make the user interface more streamlined and enjoyable to use without requiring changes to gameplay.Here's some of mine:- Display unmet requirements on technology icon tooltips. (Posted.)- Display missing population capacity on production queue icon tooltips. (Posted.)- Show resource icons on tooltips instead of textual names for easier parsing. (As suggested here. Posted.)- Make 'insufficient resources' figures stand out more, to make them easier to find at a glance.- Don't show the 'garrisonable' mouse icon on buildings that are already fully garrisoned.- If building is fully garrisoned and is not at full health, show repair icon instead of garrison icon when setting rally point on it.- When setting a building's rally point on the building itself, toggle between resetting the rally point and autogarrison.- When an owned non-idle unit is selected, draw a line and flag to indicate its orders/destination. (As suggested here and here.)- Allow setting rally points of buildings that are still under construction. (As suggested here.)- When clicks are directed to a unit silhouette and that unit doesn't support the given action, try passing them to the entity in front of the silhouette instead.- Relate tips of the day on the loading screen to the map being loaded. (As suggested here.)- Remember entries like player name in multiplayer setup. Edited September 12, 2012 by zoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feneur Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 - Don't show the 'garrisonable' mouse icon on buildings that are already fully garrisoned.Or rather grey it out It's still garrisonable, you just can't garrison units in it at that moment since it's full Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoot Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Or rather grey it out That's what I said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feneur Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 That's what I said No, you say it shouldn't be shown at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoot Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 No, you say it shouldn't be shown at all By the 'garrisonable' icon I meant the colored icon, as opposed to the grey one that is seen when hovering over anything else (including terrain). But I'm just teasing, I knew what you meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feneur Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Hmm, this got me thinking, maybe we could make it even clearer by adding a red icon that's displayed when hovering over anything that can't be garrisoned? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoot Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I had the exact same thought, but figured it might be a bit over the top visually. How about showing just the 'arrow' icon when hovering around (on terrain etc.), the grey 'arrow-and-door' icon when over a garrisonable building that is full, and the colored 'arrow-and-door' icon over a garrisonable building with spare capacity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feneur Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 I had the exact same thought, but figured it might be a bit over the top visually. How about showing just the 'arrow' icon when hovering around (on terrain etc.), the grey 'arrow-and-door' icon when over a garrisonable building that is full, and the colored 'arrow-and-door' icon over a garrisonable building with spare capacity?Could work as well, I just think it might be a bit more obvious what's going on if the icon is always there when you press the Ctrl key or have pressed the GUI button. Not sure how much of an actual issue it would be though as it's very likely that someone would pass the mouse over a garrisonable building pretty quickly after having pressed that button. I don't think it would be over the top as it's just a small icon, so to me it would be worth that extra added guidance for new players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MishFTW Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 All this and more can be done with a Webkit (or similar) GUI... which reminds me... I started on this but never got around to finishing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoot Posted August 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) All this and more can be done with a Webkit (or similar) GUI...It can be done with the current UI too and it's about equally hard (easy?) to implement.I started on this but never got around to finishing it.That's a local link Edited August 31, 2012 by zoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoot Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 What does everyone think about feneur's suggestion/non-commital idea here about letting a unit's stance influence how conservative a route it takes towards its destination? Worth doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireprog Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 What does everyone think about feneur's suggestion/non-commital idea here about letting a unit's stance influence how conservative a route it takes towards its destination? Worth doing?I think its a great idea, I've noticed that on some maps the ai's female citizens go right into your territory to gather wood, thus making it too easy for you to kill them.This would prevent that, right?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoot Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) I think its a great idea, I've noticed that on some maps the ai's female citizens go right into your territory to gather wood, thus making it too easy for you to kill them.This would prevent that, right??Not necessarily, that's a separate logic (they pick the tree closest to last one they chopped down). That particular issue should probably be fixed in the bot while human players should be wise enough to keep their workers away from enemy territory.The issue with the pathfinding, though, is that if you have (manually) tasked your workers to, say, begin chopping down a group of trees you've spotted on the other side of the map, they may decide to take a path right through the enemy's defenses if that path is shorter (distance-wise), with no care for the fact that that will probably get them killed before they even reach the destination.The problem will be less pronounced when we have 'waypoint lines' showing which path a given unit will take, though. Edited September 3, 2012 by zoot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feneur Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 The problem will be less pronounced when we have 'waypoint lines' showing which path a given unit will take, though.The only thing missing is the visual representation though, just press Shift when giving the move order to set up a path where the units doesn't just take the direct route And I personally don't think the game should babysit your units, when you order them to go somewhere it's your responsibility to make sure their path doesn't go through dangerous territory. It's actually another thing when they automatically go somewhere (units gathering searching for the next tree etc for example), so if anything there should be some logic to help in those cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoot Posted September 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 The only thing missing is the visual representation though, just press Shift when giving the move order to set up a path where the units doesn't just take the direct route Yeah, but that isn't really helpful for the case where your units seem to be moving in the right direction, but then decide to take a wrong turn into the enemy's base somewhere down the line. But the 'waypoint lines' should help quite a bit with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MishFTW Posted September 4, 2012 Report Share Posted September 4, 2012 That's a local link Mea culpa... fixed. Its not much, I never got around to adding anything significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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