Crowd-sourced Civ: Mauryan Indians

[lilstewie]

Need ship references now. We have them spec'd to have the fishing boat, merchant ship, light warship, and medium warship.

This will be hard.. I'll re-post some stuff I've posted.

Sanghamitra(Ashoka's daughter) goes to Sri Lanka

A double masted ship, Satavahana era. Not much detail, but it looks like a large/medium sized double masted ship.

http://tech.groups.y...gy/message/3343

Double masted ships from Javaese reliefs. I believe it's Indian influenced, but it's at a very later era(8th,9th). Could be useful though.

Smaller ships from that era.

^^^

From Ajanta cave

Rare image of an Indus civ ship

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Edited September 8, 2012 by lilstewie

[om_rahul]

[om_rahul]

http://bharatdiscove...1/15/Lothal.jpg

This photo can become a good reference for ships (@Mythos _Ruler u said this line before ).That time ocean going ships existed. In literature its given one boat can accommodate 700 passengers. 30 oared, have been built in the Punjab for Alexander’s fleet. In that time quality of ships made in india is better then other countries. Unfortunately the material is meager in the description of ships in details and very rare pictures available.

The interesting thing about mauryan sea trades:

The early Mauryans were courageous and brave adventurers and during the reign of Eurgetes II (15BC-116BC), a Greek ruler who controlled the areas in the Arabian Gulf, a ship from India was stopped by the coast guard of that kingdom. It had a lone occupant who was half dead. He spoke a strange tongue which they could not understand. He was nursed back to health and taught Greek. He then narrated how he and a group of companions had started off from India, but had lost their course. His companions perished from hunger, and he managed to reach there (Egypt) alone. He proposed a plan by which if they agreed to let him return to his country he would show them the route they could take to reach India by sea. The Greek king sent Eudoxus of Cyzicus along with him. Eudoxus brought back with him many goods like precious stones. There is also another account of how some Indian navigators were blown by storms and eventually reached Germany. It is often said that some of the greatest inventions were accidents, similarly through a series of ventures and a few lucky accidents various sea routes were discovered and sea trade began to take place. The Mauryans soon built ships and hired them out for trade to merchants.

The Mauryas had developed extensive trade relations and dealt with several countries like Syria and Egypt in addition to several others in the West. There were many foreign traders who took up residence in Mauryan cities, so much so that there was a separate committee to look after them. There were a variety of goods being exported and imported. The Mauryan kings used to import wines, figs, clothes and beautiful vessels made out of silver. The Mauryan exports were chiefly items of luxury like fine muslin cloth. The development of trade soon became profitable for the empire and eventually a separate department looked after trade and commerce and ensured that a transparent system was put in place. Standard weights and measures were used and all goods bore the official stamp. Towards the later Mauryan period sea trade began to take place, and there is an interesting story behind it.

Edited September 9, 2012 by om_rahul

[lilstewie]

interesting image guys

Figure 5. A conjectural reconstruction of a wooden chaityagriha (from Percy Brown’s Indian Architecture, 1942)

Pillar capital from Maurya palace in Pataliputra, Patna, Bihar, India, ca. 3rd century B.C.

Edited September 9, 2012 by lilstewie

[Sighvatr]

I play-tested the Mauryan Empire in the Map Editor. Are the Worker Elephants set on purpose to serve as nothing more than a moving drop-off location for resources? They are very useful.

[Mythos_Ruler]

The worker elephants also assist in constructing buildings.

[lilstewie]

Those worker elephants are badass.

This is from the Middle East, Mesopotamian.

Edited September 14, 2012 by lilstewie

[lilstewie]

^^^^

Good image of an Indian long bow

Gandhara Kushan era

Mathura spearmen

Edited September 15, 2012 by lilstewie

[lilstewie]

This is an excellent source!!

http://books.google.com/books?id=Q5kI02_zW70C&pg=PA247&lpg=PA247&dq=Barabar+Caves+india&source=web&ots=IIDw@#$%du-&sig=PmUtkodfN_DMGXsDkH0utYz6I6g&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#v=onepage&q=Barabar%20Caves%20india&f=false

[lilstewie]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=475000

Edited September 24, 2012 by lilstewie

[Mythos_Ruler]

Great find.

[lilstewie]

Turbaned Male Head Maurya, 3rd c. BCE, Sarnath, UP

Yaksha, Sunga, 2nd c. BCE Amin, Haryana

Carving of a Cave, Sunga, 2nd c. BCE, Bharhut, MP

http://www.shunya.ne...ionalMuseum.htm

Ajanta Cave. Satavahana

http://gallery.bl.uk...ions&n=109&r=10

Edited September 25, 2012 by lilstewie

[Ludo38]

lilstewie, these are very good pictures, inspirational. Thanks for posting them.

[lilstewie]

^^^^^

Thanks Ludo38.

[lilstewie]

Ajanta Cave. Satavahana

http://gallery.bl.uk...ions&n=109&r=10

Instead of a Two-handed broad sword for the champion maybe a two handed battle axe like above?

Large battle axes were used in India.

Gupta coin with battle axe.

[Mythos_Ruler]

I don't have an issue with making it an ax-wielding unit. Would the unit still be named "Yoddha"? Then would the Maiden Guard be sword-armed or archery-based?

[Mythos_Ruler]

Another thing. Can you guys go through the civ profile and help fill in some missing things? Specifically the "history" entries, but some of the other holes in the profile too.

http://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/Civ%3A_Mauryans

[lilstewie]

I don't have an issue with making it an ax-wielding unit. Would the unit still be named "Yoddha"? Then would the Maiden Guard be sword-armed or archery-based?

I have no clue about names.

The court-lady type guards were trained to be experts in archery, sword combat, etc, etc.

Maybe a good image. Not the Mauryan female guards, but females in combat. Reliefs were made close to the Mauryan times.

http://en.wikipedia....handagiri_Caves

Maybe you can arm them with both(sword&bow) like this guy?

Edited September 30, 2012 by lilstewie

[Mythos_Ruler]

I have no clue about names.

The court-lady type guards were trained to be experts in archery, sword combat, etc, etc.

The Maiden Guards can be primarily archers who can switch to long sword (to give us that Indian long sword we're losing by making the Yoddha an axman).

[lilstewie]

The Maiden Guards can be primarily archers who can switch to long sword (to give us that Indian long sword we're losing by making the Yoddha an axman).

Hey Mythos. What do you mean by long sword? When I think of broad swords I keep thinking of those really long/massive European swords.

Do you mean some type of older version of the Khanda blade?

Edited September 30, 2012 by lilstewie

[Mythos_Ruler]

Yeah, I thought that was what you guys originally said the Yoddha should wield.

[lilstewie]

The Maiden Guards can be primarily archers who can switch to long sword (to give us that Indian long sword we're losing by making the Yoddha an axman).

Why don't you guys give the Persian immortal this ability as well? Primary: spearmen, but can use the bow?

[Zeta1127]

As I understand it, they are planning on having the Persian Immortal use both a spear and a bow. The Bactrian Lancer would have used both a lance and a bow too, but they settled on making them only lancers.

[Mythos_Ruler]

As I understand it, they are planning on having the Persian Immortal use both a spear and a bow. The Bactrian Lancer would have used both a lance and a bow too, but they settled on making them only lancers.

You are correct. However, we could just as well make the Bactrian Lancer use the bow as a secondary too.

[lilstewie]

soldier fighting a lion, Sanchi.

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Guards

Ranigumpha, Udayagiri

Edited October 1, 2012 by lilstewie