Cassador_Chris Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Okay, well, I was going to do a article for the mere pleasure of it and send it to people that I think would find it funny. The premise of the article to begin with is silly, and meant to both enlighten and entertain. Facts and fun; history is just too doggone hilarious at times. Anyway, I was thinking of a "Top Ten" list or perhaps a "Top Twenty". I've got several groups in mind, and although they tend to be armed and dangerous groups, they don't have to be warriors. There is certainly no small pool of non-military organizations in history that are completely hardcore. And I use hardcore cause I can't remember the rules on this forum. Otherwise, I would have used "Bad@#$%".Okay, time for some submissions, and try to convince me to put your favorite group of homicidal maniacs on the Most Hardcore list. Oh, and remember: Don't be afraid to be a little offensive in choice of groups. 9/11 hijackers anyone? Waffen SS? Lets just be fair. This isn't a "coolest" list or "best" list or anything of the sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOXAS1 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 The Red Army in WW2 they would fight to the death or get shot retreating they had to win and there training was being handed a rifle. Onward Comrades! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Soldiery itself is hardcore.Imagine yourself in position of Hoplite in first line who knows that fellow behind him is waiting for his death so he can replace him.Same with modern warfare. Imagine average expected length of existence of tank (and so his crew) or any other field weapon.Also, being Russian soldier in WW2 was really hardcore."Didn't you get weapon? Rob nearest corpse." It wasn't applied through whole war, but hardcore anyway?But 1 killed German on 9 killed Russians says everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack103 Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 The Spartans. I don't say that because of the 300 movie, either (I didn't see it). I mean, they were raised from childbirth to become warriors (well, the guys, at least). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Spartans weren't the only ones.Yeniceri were even more hardcore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBlack103 Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Maybe, but I've never heard of them. Could you fill me in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted November 17, 2008 Report Share Posted November 17, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janissary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassador_Chris Posted November 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Well, yes, soldiers are generally hardcore. But they're a big group.I myself was thinking the Norse Berserkers, the Syrian Hashinshashin, the Iberian Almogavars, and the Hussite revolutionaries, at least for medieval contenders.Spartans should generally be on the list, as should one of the Japanese warrior groups--Samurai, Ninja, or Sohei/Warrior Monks. More modern day, hardcore groups should definately include the Red Army. Some Nazi-esque groups would be pretty hardcore as well, particularly the famous SS. And don't forget the Japanese kamikaze fighters, Vietcong, and a little farther back--the Moros and Zulu. (I mean, machetes/spears against WWI-esque forces? God awesome.And I wanted to include Buddhist monks somewhere on this list. While most of them were never fighters, they were most certainly one of the most hardcore groups in history. I mean, just read about some of the things they did! Makes me feel like a child, actually.Even perhaps a criminal group or two. Not individual persons though. Maybe the Mafia? Haven't read much about them, but I heard they were pretty hardcore.You don't even have to stop there! I've heard the Aztec ball players had their lives riding on every game! Heh, not to leave out the Gladiators... Heh , With such a long and diverse history, its hard to narrow the list down! I guess we should include some sort of criteria? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian Posted November 23, 2008 Report Share Posted November 23, 2008 For the Modern German/Nazi one I'd say either the SA (Sturm Armbeilung, The Original Nazi Troops) or the Freikorps (Free Corps, think untrained volunteer).The SA where hardcore as they fought in Hitlers first campaign of conquest (the Beer Hall Putsch, wikipedia it, which failed). Rohm, the leader of the SA was one of Hitlers highest ranking members. Ultimately this did nothing to prevent their demise, during the Night of Long Daggers (German Translation sought here) the Important SA members/people Politically opposed to the NSDAP/Jews were killed.The Freikorps are the larger banner of which the SA fall under. They originated in the Prussian army to do menial/suicidal tasks. Under-trained/paid, these people where generally looked down upon by the Prussian Army. After the treaty of Versailles (which wanted the Prussian Army smaller, and the Freikorps disbanded) they rebelled, taking power for a little while until those loyal to the Wiemar Republik (basically everyone) forced them to back down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOXAS1 Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 ok i got another Paratroopersthose guys are awesome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurin Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 (edited) The Knights of Saint John (Read about the siege of Rhodes and Malta)That all I can say.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Hospitaller Edited November 28, 2008 by Hurin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Philippine Rebels, who fought a much more sophisticated enemy (enemies) with little or no outside help, marginal/low levels of combat experience. We won't go into whether or not they caused independence on the isles...Also the Choco's (Chocolate Soldiers). These guys were the Australian Soldiers who held their nerve during the Japanese on the Kokoda Trail in Papua New Guinea. They were simply expected to melt in the fires of war (with the Jap's throwing line upon line upon line of soldiers at them), hence the nickname. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted December 13, 2008 Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 (edited) Unit 731 of the Japanese Army. Edit - From a few years before WW2 to the end of it.Can we also consider not very violent but extremely hardcore in beliefs? Edited December 13, 2008 by Silver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassador_Chris Posted December 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2008 certainly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxguy Posted December 30, 2008 Report Share Posted December 30, 2008 hmmmmmm the most hardcore group? well id hate to choose only one but out of three i got i will choose the one that has not been mencioned: Hittita empire cause of there defensive cities and formidable force i mean seriusly have you seen hattusha, hell im thinking that it is probably the most fortified strategicly placed city(militarily) in history, they were estrict with rules of solidarity and protection and the only thing that took them down even when surounded by other 3 empires(Egypt in its prime, assyrian empire and babilons) was a civil war when there code of brotherhood was broken by the king and his brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonsign Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Waffen SS ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 What is hardcore on them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonsign Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 dedication to the ideology(nazism) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undo Posted February 19, 2009 Report Share Posted February 19, 2009 Cortés and his gang of Spanish conquistadores? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Cortés and his gang of Spanish conquistadores? For what? They were incompetents and some of them where stupid.Praetorian Guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiram Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 they where able to conquer the most populated city of their time, what do the pretorians ever done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justinian Posted February 28, 2009 Report Share Posted February 28, 2009 they where able to conquer the most populated city of their time, what do the pretorians ever done? They controlled Imperial Rome by the testicles. Considering the Romans had one of the largest empires EVER, that's a pretty gutsy effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumo Posted March 1, 2009 Report Share Posted March 1, 2009 The power of the Praetorians was huge. At first they were meant to protect and serve their emperor, it ended up in them choosing/ having to agree with the emperor (sometimes)!Until I think Constantine disbanded them around 300 AD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belisarivs Posted March 6, 2009 Report Share Posted March 6, 2009 I wouldn't call Conquistadors stupid and incompetent. In fact, they were pretty efficient.Well, I don't like Praetorians. IMHO they more hurt Rome than served it. If I was Emperor, I'd try to eliminate them ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plumo Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Well, conquistadores were aggresive, frustrated adventurers seeking wealth to spend back in Spain.Their search for gold was unstoppable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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