Outis
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2 hours ago, Vantha said:
About the peltasts themselves, I suggest to either: increase their armor and balance it with reducing speed, firing speed or damage.
Peltasts can be upgraded with a tech like Peltast Tradition the way hoplites are differentiated from other spearmen via Hoplite Tradition.
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Effectively, this is similar to the hero choices in DE, but with less emphasis on the hero, isnt it?
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This is good opportunity to include some anticipated (sub)factions like the Parthians
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1 hour ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Yet, Helots were used many times in skirmishing roles.
Maybe Helots can be restricted so they cannot upgrade with experience (because they are slaves and they cannot advance in society like get new equipment).
Hero Brasidas gives the option (bonus or tech) to allow Helots to upgrade to Neodamodeis via experience to receive better equipment (like normal citizen soldiers).
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Ephors for Sparta?
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35 minutes ago, Gurken Khan said:
Who'd 've thunk hippies were so rough.
This was reportedly their shield device
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Allow me to make a comment on Spartan heroes:
Leonidas and Brasidas fit well.
I have no idea why Agis is there.
I propose to replace Agis with:
Lysander: known for ending the Peloponnesian War with surpise naval attacks, with bonuses for navy (an option for Spartans to have a decent navy, they are Greek after all)
And/or,
Cleomenes III: known for reforming the society to increase the number of Spartiatai and to introduce the sarissa, allowing Spartans to train pikemen
Big nod to DE @wowgetoffyourcellphone
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5 hours ago, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said:
-Remove the Stable and Existing Perioikoi Cavalry:
First, I would suggest removing the stable for a simple reason: Spartans had a notoriously horrible cavalry.
I think having notoriously horrible cavalry should not necessarily mean they have no stables. They have cavalry and the horses need to be trained somewhere. What makes more sense its to decrease their effectiveness as you suggested by limiting their progression or even removing some common cavalry upgrades from their tech tree. Or even introducing a penalty like a civilization bonus (as a debuff).
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4 hours ago, Vantha said:
-10% maximum population limit
I propose rather than an overall population limit, to have a limit on the Spartiatai as they had a problem with the number of full citizens rather than an overall problem.
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6 hours ago, Gurken Khan said:
Weren't this the dudes who weren't allowed to compete at Olympia because it was considered unfair?
Spartans did not join some fighting competitions such as pankration after some date, supposedly because they are used to taking it too far so the competitors got injured or died, or because they were so good at it that it was deemed unfair to compete.
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4 hours ago, hyperion said:
Well, wasn't there an olympic discipline of running with hoplite gear?
It was called Hoplitodromos.
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7 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
stand next to the king on the honored right flank of the phalanx.
I think it fits here perfectly
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from Greece and Rome at war by Peter Connoly, citing Xenophon
7 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:stand next to the king on the honored right flank of the phalanx.
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From "The Border of War and Peace" by Natasha Bershadsky here https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/bershadsky/files/the_border_of_war_and_peace_myth_and_rit.pdf :
The Spartan hippeis were an elite corps of hoplites (their equestrian appellation notwithstanding), who numbered three hundreds. In the Classical period, the hippeis fought in close proximity to the king and had the task of protecting him. They also served as the Spartan “emergency force” in cases of internal or external danger. The hippeis were chosen on the basis of their excellence from the body of hêbôntes. The relevance of the hippeis to the present discussion stems from their character as picked troops and from their number, coinciding with the number of the Spartan warriors at Thyrea. In a recent article, Thomas Figueira suggests that the three hundred Spartans who fought in the battle of Champions must have been hippeis. In the light of the previous discussion, we can modify Figuiera’s suggestion: the battle, in which all the Spartan participants die heroically, can be construed as a foundation myth of the hippeis, setting a benchmark for their fighting conduct. -
Olympic champion as in winner of the Olympic Games?
I thought this was a bit generic.
Hippeis is a historical Spartan unit which stood next to the king in battle, hence my proposal
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Why are they called as such? Is it a historical name?
I propose to call the advanced champion Spartiates, Spartan Hippeis. Historically, Spartan Hippeis are the royal bodyguard of the Spartan kings, and are picked from the best Spartiates.
Fun fact: Spartans were banned from some Olympic Games because they were so good it was considered unfair to compete against them.
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On 27/09/2023 at 6:33 PM, Carltonus said:
It has reasonable changes for the next alpha, but will the reformed Spartan Pikemen be of good use in the future? A further suggestion could be a forked technology for city phase: one for traditional and other reform; the latter will have the pikemen, walls, and three new heroes of the late era, among others. Another distinction for the Spartans!
Historically, Cleomenes III implemented several reforms which included increasing the number of Spartan citizens and introducing the sarissa to the army. Spartan pikemen could be an option unlocked by selecting him as a hero?
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On 05/10/2020 at 7:37 PM, wackyserious said:
A concept for Misthophoroi hoplites.
Hey @wackyserious this guy looks awesome! What happened to this guy?
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5 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
SVN or A26?
This is in A26.
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Also, the iberian spear cavalry's shield is cutting through the horse.
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Hello,
I wanted to inform, that the aspis shield is cutting through the arm of the Tarentine cavalry.
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Hello team,
I wanted to ask why the Macedonian pikemen have a single greave on their left legs. Was it implemented intentionally or did they leave home in a hurry?
I have seen an article about burials with single greaves, but that it is considered ceremonial rather than for protection in battle.
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15 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
New shaman hat
Very very cool artwork
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1 hour ago, Akira Kurosawa said:
I meant that if a monk deliberately captures an elephant, then he captures the elephant. And if all military units have the ability to enslave, we can inadvertently seize junk units that will become a population that will stop the production of the units we need.
A monk converts a unit to your side as it is. I believe the idea of enslavement is to capture the enemy unit and turn it into a slave which is a labor-only unit with restrictions, in other words the slave is definitely a junk unit. Regarding population, i think it is a fair comment that they might occupy otherwise more useful capacity. I propose slave units do not count towards population (slaves are not accomodated in houses that are for citizens, they either work or sleep at their work station).
[Units] Roles and New paradigm+A28
in Gameplay Discussion
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Please note the Thracian peltast is a true skirmisher with more but still very limited melee capability than regular skirmishers. The Iphicratian peltast is an outright melee unit, more like a ligher and more mobile hoplite. They share the name merely due to the type of shield they share, namely a pelta, which is smaller than an aspis that covered almost the whole body. As such, there is no evolution per se and in my opinion it is preferrable to handle the two separately.