[Brainstorming]Technologies: ideas, references

[Lion.Kanzen]

I came up with this idea after watching some videos about technology like Greek fire.

 

For example the favor and me could not exist without the siphons perfected in the 3rd century B.C.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siphon

And I would like here more than a whole discussion of ideas that can be included and that cannot be included.

Interesting for example which characters like Caesar Augustus Includes in some religious technologies.

Like cult to Apollo 

https://ancient-history-blog.mq.edu.au/cityOfRome/ApolloBlog

https://mythopedia.com/topics/apollo-roman

During the reign of Augustus (31 BCE–14 CE), the first emperor of Rome, the cult of Apollo witnessed a surge in popularity and importance. Much of this could be attributed to the emperor himself, who believed Apollo favored his cause in the long civil war against the republicans and Marcus Antonius. The final battle of the Roman civil war, the naval battle of Actium in 31 BCE, took place next to one of Apollo’s temples in mainland Greece. To repay the debt he thought he owed, Augustus dedicated spoils to Apollo and constructed a new temple in his honor on the Palatine Hill.

 

Edited October 10, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen

[Lion.Kanzen]

Since 0 AD doesn't pay any attention to Greek cosmology and religion, we ironically make everything so detailed except culture and religion.

I'll get the concepts out first. and their explanations.

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In every religion there is a This technology should unlock all religion in 0AD.

I will start with the development of Greek and Roman religion.

Cosmogony.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmogony

This helps order the world in the minds of ordinary people.

In the case of the Greeks, not being a centralized religion. They have multiple ideas.

"There was no set Greek cosmogony, or creation myth. Different religious groups believed that the world had been created in different ways. One Greek creation myth was told in Hesiod's Theogony. It stated that at first there was only a primordial deity called Chaos, after which came various other primordial gods, such as Gaia, Tartarus and Eros, who then gave birth to more gods, the Titans, who then gave birth to the first Olympians."

From here comes the conception of order.

The thought of order emerges chaos and from chaos order is reborn.

Interestingly, this is the point of the Greek view of time as a cycle. And from other religions as well.

Other technology:

The Greeks and Romans were literate societies, and much mythology, although initially shared orally, was written down in the forms of epic poetry.

Oral tradition (all civilizations)

And Epic Poetry.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_poetry

Another important point is morality.

One of the most important moral concepts to the Greeks was aversion to hubris. Hubris constituted many things, from rape to desecration of a corpse,[10] and was a crime in Athens. Although pride and vanity were not considered sins themselves, the Greeks emphasized moderation. Pride only became hubris when it went to extremes, like any other vice. The same was thought of eating and drinking. Anything done to excess was not considered proper. Ancient Greeks placed, for example, importance on athletics and intellect equally. In fact many of their competitions included both. Pride was not evil until it became all-consuming or hurtful to others.

hubris referred to “outrage”: actions that violated natural order, or which shamed and humiliated the victim, sometimes for the pleasure or gratification of the abuser.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris

The Greek word for sin, hamartia (ἁμαρτία), originally meant "error" in the ancient dialect, and so poets like Hesiod and Aeschylus used the word "hubris" to describe transgressions against the gods.

In the Jewish tradition and the Jewish religion there is transgression(Peshá), sin (Khatá) means fail/error too, this is no coincidence, the other is iniquity(Avon)(this was not known by the Greeks).

 

Religious Texts

The Greeks had no religious texts they regarded as "revealed" scriptures of sacred origin, but very old texts including Homer's Iliad and Odyssey, and the Homeric hymns (regarded as later productions today), Hesiod's Theogony and Works and Days, and Pindar's Odes were regarded as authoritative[11] and perhaps inspired; they usually begin with an invocation to the Muses for inspiration. Plato even wanted to exclude the myths from his ideal state described in the Republic because of their low moral tone.

finally comes something that no one takes importance of the Greek religion.

The cults, it's almost like politics in ancient times.

each political figure had their gods that were part of their image and their propaganda.

Above I mentioned Augustus and Apollo.

Here we can have a chain of technologies based on the cults.

Mystery cults:

While some traditions, such as Mystery cults, upheld certain texts as canonic within their praxis, such texts were respected but not necessarily accepted as canonic outside their circle. In this field, of particular importance are certain texts referring to Orphic cults: multiple copies, ranging from 450 BC–250 AD.

WIP...

[GrimPixel]

Great to see this. The focus was too much on civilisations and cultures are neglected.

There can even be some new game modes, like one team try to protect some sacred buildings and the other try to destroy them.

As for ancient technologies, there are some impressive ones: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_technology

World History Encyclopedia: https://www.worldhistory.org/

I am currently creating a list of the texts about these cultural stuffs. You can have a look if you are interested: https://polyglotclub.com/wiki/Language/Multiple-languages/Culture/Philosophical-and-Religious-Texts

I will try to compile lists of ancient technologies, thoughts, etc. to ensure the diversities of factions.

Edited November 1, 2022 by GrimPixel

[Lion.Kanzen]

this should be in Empires Ascendants.

 

Priesthood was a costly honour: in traditional Roman practice, a priest drew no stipend. Cult donations were the property of the deity, whose priest must provide cult regardless of shortfalls in public funding – this could mean subsidy of acolytes and all other cult maintenance from personal funds.[75] For those who had reached their goal in the Cursus honorum, permanent priesthood was best sought or granted after a lifetime's service in military or political life, or preferably both: it was a particularly honourable and active form of retirement which fulfilled an essential public duty. For a freedman or slave, promotion as one of the Compitalia seviri offered a high local profile, and opportunities in local politics; and therefore business.[76].

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_ancient_Rome

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

On 01/11/2022 at 2:30 PM, Lion.Kanzen said:

this should be in Empires Ascendants.

 

Priesthood was a costly honour: in traditional Roman practice, a priest drew no stipend. Cult donations were the property of the deity, whose priest must provide cult regardless of shortfalls in public funding – this could mean subsidy of acolytes and all other cult maintenance from personal funds.[75] For those who had reached their goal in the Cursus honorum, permanent priesthood was best sought or granted after a lifetime's service in military or political life, or preferably both: it was a particularly honourable and active form of retirement which fulfilled an essential public duty. For a freedman or slave, promotion as one of the Compitalia seviri offered a high local profile, and opportunities in local politics; and therefore business.[76].

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_ancient_Rome

 

https://www.theoi.com/

About Greek religion.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Augury is an ancient Roman religious practice of watching birds for omens. An omen is a magical sign that foretells the coming of change. Certain omens meant that something good would happen, while others foretold doom. The omen was derived from the flight patterns and behavior of the birds observed.

 

The practice of bird watching to predict events predates the Romans, but is more associated with them because the Romans standardized the practice as part of their religion. The Roman religion was polytheistic , meaning it had several deities. Many believed that the gods must be concerned with the fate of humans and would therefore send signs or omens to help them prepare for the future.

 

Omen was more associated with the will of the powerful deity Jupiter. In Roman mythology and history, augury was very important and was even considered responsible for the founding of Rome. The founders of Rome, Romulus and Remus, arrived in the area and debated the exact place to found the city. Each chose a spot and watched the birds. Romulus saw 12 vultures while Remus saw only 6, so Romulus chose the place where to build Rome.

 

There were five types of auspices or interpretations of omens. The two that involved birds were ex avibus , of birds, and ex tripudiis , of feeding birds. The ex avibus auspices involved the behavior of birds and fell into two categories. Oscines, including crows, ravens, ravens, owls, and hens, communicated positive or negative omens through their song, both where it was heard and what it consisted of. Wings, eagles and vultures, communicated by their flight patterns. Different patterns corresponded to places and times of the year to present positive or negative omens.

 

Auspices ex tripudis consisted of watching birds, almost always chickens, eat. This form of auspiciousness was generally used on military expeditions, and the chickens were taken specifically for this use and were not to be eaten. Their keeper, the pullarius , released them on the ground, threw bread and watched. If the chickens flapped their wings or refused to eat, it was a bad omen. If the chicken ate so much that the food fell out of its mouth, it was a good omen and the military would continue with whatever activity was in question.

 

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

6 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Augury is an ancient Roman religious practice of watching birds for omens. An omen is a magical sign that foretells the coming of change. Certain omens meant that something good would happen, while others foretold doom. The omen was derived from the flight patterns and behavior of the birds observed.

 

The practice of bird watching to predict events predates the Romans, but is more associated with them because the Romans standardized the practice as part of their religion. The Roman religion was polytheistic , meaning it had several deities. Many believed that the gods must be concerned with the fate of humans and would therefore send signs or omens to help them prepare for the future.

 

Omen was more associated with the will of the powerful deity Jupiter. In Roman mythology and history, augury was very important and was even considered responsible for the founding of Rome. The founders of Rome, Romulus and Remus, arrived in the area and debated the exact place to found the city. Each chose a spot and watched the birds. Romulus saw 12 vultures while Remus saw only 6, so Romulus chose the place where to build Rome.

 

There were five types of auspices or interpretations of omens. The two that involved birds were ex avibus , of birds, and ex tripudiis , of feeding birds. The ex avibus auspices involved the behavior of birds and fell into two categories. Oscines, including crows, ravens, ravens, owls, and hens, communicated positive or negative omens through their song, both where it was heard and what it consisted of. Wings, eagles and vultures, communicated by their flight patterns. Different patterns corresponded to places and times of the year to present positive or negative omens.

 

Auspices ex tripudis consisted of watching birds, almost always chickens, eat. This form of auspiciousness was generally used on military expeditions, and the chickens were taken specifically for this use and were not to be eaten. Their keeper, the pullarius , released them on the ground, threw bread and watched. If the chickens flapped their wings or refused to eat, it was a bad omen. If the chicken ate so much that the food fell out of its mouth, it was a good omen and the military would continue with whatever activity was in question.

 

 

Auspices +More range of vision (LoS) for priest (Roman).

Auspices ex tripudis : + more line of vision for scouts.

[Lion.Kanzen]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tellurocracy

Tellurocracy for Parthians and Sassanids. 

Territorial bonus for CC and Fortresses.

Edited April 28 by Lion.Kanzen