===[COMMITTED]=== Mauryan Merchant Ship

[Enrique]

A mix of these two references would be good:

[paperkat]

Ok I'll take this one ^^

[Ludo38]

That Prasanna Weerakkody is a great artist, and such a chance for the making of 0 A.D.s' Mauryan civ ! Great find indeed.

[paperkat]

Blocking it out at the moment so still a couple of areas that need to be optimized but suggestions / ideas welcome

I was thinking more barrells / crates etc to denote trading.

Sails?

Will oar ends be visible above water ? / animated ?

Edited February 1, 2013 by paperkat

[Enrique]

Niice! I like the direction so far!

Yes, you should fill it with crates, barrels, baskets, that kind of stuff.

Maybe one sail on the big mast and a triangular small sail on the little mast?

The oars will be probably animated, so they should be long enough to get under the water plane.

Nice work so far

[lilstewie]

Looks good.

[lilstewie]

A mix of these two references would be good:

I dont think you guys should copy the carvings and colors to the point. This ship is ornate because it's carrying the emperor's daughter and a Bodhi tree sapling.

It should look simpler than above.

Edited February 1, 2013 by lilstewie

[paperkat]

Aha ok I will try and tone it down a bit in that case and bear that in mind when texturing. I did wonder what exactly was in that crate they had there!

[lilstewie]

Aha ok I will try and tone it down a bit in that case and bear that in mind when texturing. I did wonder what exactly was in that crate they had there!

The crate is probably filled with goods and stuff as a gift for the Sri Lankans.

You can see the Sri Lankan holding the tree sapling to the head on the right.

Edited February 1, 2013 by lilstewie

[Sighvatr]

Niice! I like the direction so far!

Yes, you should fill it with crates, barrels, baskets, that kind of stuff.

Maybe one sail on the big mast and a triangular small sail on the little mast?

The oars will be probably animated, so they should be long enough to get under the water plane.

Nice work so far

I think you should research the kind of sails they use before you turn it into a 18th century sloop.

[lilstewie]

self delete

Edited February 1, 2013 by lilstewie

[Enrique]

I think you should research the kind of sails they use before you turn it into a 18th century sloop.

These front sails looks triangular

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl2625/images/20091218262506202.jpg

http://www.ibiblio.org/britishraj/Jackson2/img/p078AncientHinduShip.jpg

[Sighvatr]

Aaahh dam you. Lol

I was trying to scour my local library for ancient Indian boats, but they only talked about Egypt and other western cultures.

[paperkat]

Ok! Made a couple of changes, added sails - 1 triangular and 1 rectangle and barrels n crates.

At the moment a little above the polycount at 1710 tris. I'm using Maya but have Max as well (never use it!), if I were to fill out the model with barrels and crates etc using the propping plugin would this add to the main polycount? I think it needs a bit more 'clutter' personally so if I can reduce the polycount this way it would go a long way to help.

What do you think?

[Enrique]

Looks great!!

I think the props should be scaled a bit bigger and more scattered through the deck. And the polycount is not scary yet

I kind of like the sails, but let's see what others think.

Nice work paperkat!

[lilstewie]

These front sails looks triangular

http://www.frontline...18262506202.jpg

http://www.ibiblio.o...ntHinduShip.jpg

The first one(Javanese) isn't triangle. They recreated that ship.

This model is a long ways from the Mauryan period though.

Edited February 3, 2013 by lilstewie

[lilstewie]

The triangle sail makes it look kinda European.

These front sails looks triangular

http://www.ibiblio.o...ntHinduShip.jpg

That one is also recreate. It's not triangular.

Edited February 3, 2013 by lilstewie

[lilstewie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateen

Further inquiries into the appearance of the lateen rig in the Indian Ocean and its gulfs show a complete reversal of earlier scholarly opinion on the direction of diffusion, now pointing to an introduction byPortuguese sailors in the wake of Vasco da Gama's arrival in India in 1500.^[24] Searches for lateen sails in India were inconclusive.^[25] Since lateen sails were absent from Indian inland waters, that is, in regions remote from foreign influences, as late as the mid-20th century, the hypothesis of an Indian origin appears a priori implausible.^[26] The earliest evidence for the lateen in Islamic art occurs in a 13th-century Egyptian artifact which, however, is assumed to show a Mediterranean vessel.^[27] Excavated depictions of Muslim vessels along the Eastern African coast uniformly show square sails before 1500.^[28]

[lilstewie]

1. The Square Sail

The square sail was employed almost universally in the ancient world. It was only during the early Byzantine period in the eastern Mediterranean that any evidence emerges that triangular sails began to appear on the Mediterranean Sea. The square sail, though stable on heavy seas, is not very versatile to make much use of any headwinds. Square sails were still used until very recently on the sewn sambugs of Aden as well as lateen sails.

http://nabataea.net/sailing.html

In India square sails are depicted on coins of the Pallava dynasty (coeval with the Sassanids) and in the Ajanta ship of the seventh century AD.) (Elliot, W., Coins of Southern India, London 1885) An indication that lateens are not native to India is found in their absence today in inland water regions remote from foreign influences.

Edited February 3, 2013 by lilstewie

[lilstewie]

http://www.wildfireg...&attach_id=5166

This is probably not an accurate sail.

This might be better, no?

What is your opinion?

Edited February 3, 2013 by lilstewie

[lilstewie]

http://www.rwsentosa.com/language/en-US/Attractions/TheMaritimeExperientialMuseum/Explore/HistoricShips

indian dhow

You can see Asian cultures rarely used that design. Especially not back in the Mauryan times,

[paperkat]

Ok! Been nusy with work lately but i'm back again!

I've made a couple of changes to the sails, rigging and goods.Tell me what you think!

The triangle count so far is 1248 without goods and 1928 with. This bothers me a bit. Should I try the propping plugin? Please advise me on this.

Thanks for your honest feedback btw!

[Ludo38]

I like how it goes Paperkat! With textures, this model will be a little wonder.

[Enrique]

Looking awesome so far!

Honestly, I like how "busy" and full of things it looks with so many props. I'd say adding some barrels and removing those circular baskets (they'll have probably the same polycount)

It's a good thing you try propping with "helpers/empties" (don't know how they're called in Maya ) so you can learn how to add them:

-Place the empty/helper on the center/origin of the barrel/prop, parent the prop to the empty and rotate/move the empty where you want to place it on the ship.

-Name the empties/helpers like "prop_barrel1, prop_crate1..." so we can know which prop they're referencing.

-Before exporting the ship, remove the props meshes and leave the empties, and parent them to the main ship, exporting the ship with all selected.

Here's the public repo where you can find a lot of props already in-game: http://svn.wildfiregames.com/public/ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/art/meshes/props/

You can use barrels (wrld_barrel_a.dae) baskets (wrld_basket_a/b/c..) sacks (wrld_sack.dae and wrld_sack_rough.dae), crates (wrld_crate_a.dae) etc and you don't have to worry about texture them.

Can't wait to see it textured

[lilstewie]

Just have the front sail squareish too paper. Not triangular shaped.