Civ: Palmyrenes

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The Palmyrenes

 

 

[Nicolaus_von_Kues]

There are quite a few representations of Eagles in the religious art of Palmyra.

The Eagle of Baalshamin in Palmyra

In ancient pre-Islamic Syria, Baalshamin was the god of the sky and the "Lord of the Heavens" in the city of Palmyra. His two main attributes were lightning and the eagle.

 

At the entrance of his famous temple in Palmyra (which was tragically destroyed by ISIS in 2015), a celebrated stone lintel relief prominently featured an eagle with outstretched wings, symbolizing divine power, sovereignty, and cosmic protection.

 

https://virtual-museum-syria.org/palmyra/door-lintel-from-the-temple-of-baalshamin/

 

That's why it was used throughout Rome II.

 

There is also another symbol of Zenobia riding a Lion.

I'll look for it later.

Edited July 3 by Nicolaus_von_Kues

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Using AI.

 

Palmyran eagle.

We must not forget that they are a Roman-Semites civilization and after all.

 

I would add some other additional symbol.

Edited July 4 by Nicolaus_von_Kues

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Additionally, I did another experiment with the AI, but it went wrong, and since it was free (free ai version of grok service), I can't fix it.

The result isn't ugly in itself, it just looks very modern.

And the other problem was proportion.

The head looks modern The feathers look modern; the eagle's finish seems more from this era than from the Roman one.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nicolaus_von_Kues said:

https://warfare.6te.net/Ancient/Shield-Dura-Europos-Yale.htm

38. Shield or mantlet of reeds, late 3rd century AD, Sassanian (?), Dura-Europos, Yale University Art Gallery, New Haven (Mes, Brow A).

Vol. 1, p235: Shields made of reed or cane had been used in the Middle East since pre-historic times. A magnificently preserved rectangular Sassanian example was excavated at Dura Europos (Fig. 38). Comparable shields may well have been used in Persia and Iraq until the time of the Muslim conquest,26 but whether the reed shields of pre-Islamic Arabia27

Syria: The ark is captured by the Philistines at the Battle of Even ha-Ezer. Fresco from Dura Europos.

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Third century romans

 

 

 

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14 hours ago, Nicolaus_von_Kues said:

Third century romans

 

 

 

The style of these soldiers seems to have a very distant Asian influence, but it could be due to the influence of the Silk Road, according to some forums and Reddit posts.

Chinese and Vietnamese style armor are mentioned.

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14 hours ago, Nicolaus_von_Kues said:

Third century romans

 

 

 

The style of these soldiers seems to have a very distant Asian influence, but it could be due to the influence of the Silk Road, according to some forums and Reddit posts.

Chinese and Vietnamese style armor are mentioned.

 

The problem with this hypothesis is the Parthia/Persia blockade.

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Updating research...

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https://archeologie.culture.gouv.fr/palmyre/en/clothes-and-jewellery

Clothing.

 

The reliefs offer an insight into what people might have worn in Palmyra. Although there are examples of citizens wearing the Roman toga or himation, a draped garment worn by the ancient Greeks, most Palmyreans wore typically Syrian clothes, colourful and richly embroidered, influenced by the attire of their powerful neighbour to the east, the Parthian empire.

 

 

Below are images dedicated to Zenobia, both modern and reliefs. 

 

 

 

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[Nicolaus_von_Kues]

According to:

https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/46106/what-was-clothing-in-ancient-palmyra-like

 

An important trading centre which derived much of its wealth from the Silk Road, Palmyra was a multi-cultural city, influenced by both east (especially Iran) and west (Greece and Rome). This is reflected in the clothing they wore, but there was also a distinctly local style; in short, it’s a complex picture and generalizing is difficult. As Marybeth Osowski, in Fashioning Identity: Clothing and the Image of the Syrian in the Roman Empire, states:

 

The standard visual image of the Near East in Greek and Roman depictions features elements such as long-sleeved tunics and ankle-length trousers, bright colors and elaborate patterns or decorations, and other items like pointed hats or turbans also feature but are not universal.

 

The best visual evidence we have of clothing in 3rd century AD Palmyra comes from funerary monuments. However, these cannot be considered entirely representative of the population as a whole but rather of the local elite and wealthier residents, most likely wearing their finest clothing. Further, we can’t be sure to what extent these may have been idealized representations of what people actually wore. Lastly, there is the issue of status, and of how people wished to be seen in different social and cultural situations.

 

Generally speaking, there two styles of Palmyrene attire: one is termed Greek or Greco-Roman, the Parthian or sometimes Persian.

Let's go:

Sassanid clothes.

 

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https://archeologie.culture.gouv.fr/palmyre/en/clothes-and-jewellery

 

 

Men wore embroidered baggy trousers and belted long-sleeved tunics. Women generally wore a tunic, a mantle fastened on the left shoulder with a fibula, earrings, one or more necklaces, bracelets, a brow band often decorated with plant motifs, a turban and a long veil. A preference for an Iranian garment or a Greek mantle was a matter of taste, wealth or mood, not of origin or profession.

The central role played by Palmyra in trade between the Mediterranean and the East made it one of the main stopping points for caravans transporting luxury materials such as gold, gemstones and pearls. It was also a focal point for the styles, fashions and techniques that travelled with the merchants. The Palmyreans assimilated these different influences: Palmyrene silverwork and goldwork, for example, are a rich synthesis of eastern, Roman, Greek, Hellenistic and Syrian elements and motifs.

 

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4 minutes ago, Nicolaus_von_Kues said:

https://archeologie.culture.gouv.fr/palmyre/en/clothes-and-jewellery

 

 

Men wore embroidered baggy trousers and belted long-sleeved tunics. Women generally wore a tunic, a mantle fastened on the left shoulder with a fibula, earrings, one or more necklaces, bracelets, a brow band often decorated with plant motifs, a turban and a long veil. A preference for an Iranian garment or a Greek mantle was a matter of taste, wealth or mood, not of origin or profession.

The central role played by Palmyra in trade between the Mediterranean and the East made it one of the main stopping points for caravans transporting luxury materials such as gold, gemstones and pearls. It was also a focal point for the styles, fashions and techniques that travelled with the merchants. The Palmyreans assimilated these different influences: Palmyrene silverwork and goldwork, for example, are a rich synthesis of eastern, Roman, Greek, Hellenistic and Syrian elements and motifs.

 

These clothes, it seems to me, resemble those from Central Asia and Hellenized areas of India. 

Hellenistic India.

Kushan art.

The trousers bear a certain resemblance. Probably an influence from Iranian peoples.