Other AI bots besides Petra

[Eilat]

21 hours ago, Tapothei said:

protectorate

Protectorate isn't significantly different in power from the other two bots, as they share similar logic. The difference lies in the tribute and troop deployment mechanics, so if you've defeated the other two bots, you'll likely defeat it as well.

[Arup]

what's the hardest, most toughest to beat bot we've got here?

[Eilat]

1 hour ago, Arup said:

what's the hardest, most toughest to beat bot we've got here?

It seems there are no bots at all, they all have similar power in 1v1 matches. Although they defeated Petra in my test matches, according to the user above, they are easily defeated. However, if you want to experiment, you can download any bot from here and play on large maps or larger, with unlimited population and deathmatch resources, and you can wait a bit for them to power up (although Petra doesn't wait for them). Anyway, I'm fixing early game issues for them (they are strong in the late game), so if you're still interested, you can come back and try them out.

Edited February 26 by Eilat

[Tapothei]

@EilatHere is the Iron Turtoise Deathmatch infinite pop, even though I kind of crashed because of the Han's minister(I tried to move), I had like 1.2k[50PPM] pop and the turtoise had 460(in another game against VH Petra its 620[25PPM]) in min 24, which is actually reasonable. The thing I like about this AI is its able to increase its pop beyond VH Petra, implementing the continue to build houses and army code to Petra would be very nice. Its just that its building one house at a time, maybe doubling it would be extremely funny for the average player(I want to hear them suffer), actually keep that for only the most combatant personailty one. Noted something: It does not build a hero. I see fortress and towers are build near the border but what if you enable it to build in between CC as well as building towers too all over non stop. Imagine my army getting arrowed to the knee from every direction and the further I go in there is still more... hence I need a lot.... of siege to unshell this guy, then again I'm playing on 27.1 and the capture is easy here. Looking at another default setting game(map is large) against VH Petra, this turtle has lower PPM then Medium difficulty[8.5PPM at min 24(I forgot)] which is [7.5PPM] at minute 20 and pretty much stunted there. Who knows... there needs more sample but I'm tired.... So inconclusion as well as extras are added:
- Error: It does not build hero
- In default setting It has slower PPM below Medium Difficulty, try to fix that one until it reach VH.
- It should focus its economy more on stone through trading or technology, since its trying to build lots of towers.

- It should tech its defense(murder hole/sentries/upgrade to stone tower) as early as possible before building towers.
- Should make wood towers all over its area of influence then eventually upgrade to stone towers to force the player to produce siege or lose lots of unit in the process.
- Fortress are to be build at the edge of the border as well as between CCs.
Score; In default setting Easy to Medium Difficulty, I'm not forced to use siege to protect against barrage of arrows or to destroy 10th stone tower or the 5fth Fortress then again I'm on version 27.1 which the capture is easy.... however in Deathmatch and max pop its beyond VH Petra late game[>25min] Anyways since protecterate has same logic, I'll not fight it, For the moment VH Petra is my default bot, goodluck.

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Edited February 26 by Tapothei

[Eilat]

On 27/02/2026 at 12:02 AM, Tapothei said:

Iron Turtoise Deathmatch infinite pop

@TapotheiWhenever you have time, please play a similar match on the Saharan Oases map, still with unlimited population and deathmatch resources, and send me your feedback. I improved my bot and played against Petra VH, it still won against Petra in matches, but I suddenly realized I only tested on Saharan Oases. When I played on other maps, my bot always lost, and I haven't figured out why. Initially, I thought that map was a great balanced map for test matches, so I always tested on that map. Anyway, I can't upload the upgrades right now, but if you notice any differences in the previous bots on Saharan Oases, please let me know.

[Tapothei]

6 hours ago, Eilat said:

@TapotheiWhenever you have time, please play a similar match on the Saharan Oases map, still with unlimited population and deathmatch resources, and send me your feedback. I improved my bot and played against Petra VH, it still won against Petra in matches, but I suddenly realized I only tested on Saharan Oases. When I played on other maps, my bot always lost, and I haven't figured out why. Initially, I thought that map was a great balanced map for test matches, so I always tested on that map. Anyway, I can't upload the upgrades right now, but if you notice any differences in the previous bots on Saharan Oases, please let me know.

I'm on Version 28 at the moment. Tried to change its compatibility check as well as disecting another mod to be inputed just to get recognised by my system in game... but ye I'm going to leave it till you update it. Error in image. I'll still go fulfill your request, by getting Version A27.0 if I can somehow get it as well as running it, later... Which I did but the appimage is enough, which in case anyone wondering how to insert the mod in linux, go to home/(username)/.local/share/0ad/mods.

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but if you notice any differences in the previous bots on Saharan Oases, please let me know.

Okay there is 2 types of oasis map, do you mean the map type of 'Skirmish' or 'Random'? Your bot will always lose when it comes to skirmish, which I first played twice, first was a bit surprise as my wood ran out + its borders touched mine, resulting in their army coming to me and my idle units would attack = Your AI's momentum is gone, perhaps thats why your bot won when it comes to wood as it had trade + tower and fortress to wittle enemy resource. In terms of random, I'm too tired to play but I did check it vs AI, so from my observation there is no difference.

I did understand why even in Random Deathmatch large map (Check commands(3)) your AI cannot even push leading to a draw/losing the match beyond min 23.
- Build fields early on then leave it alone for 12 min = Build something that you can make use of early on.
- Max soldier/horseman unit batch train is 2, if you look at Petra AI its max is 5 = Fix batch train so it can at max 5.
- You didn't set max limit of woman, so the CC is churning out excess when whats it supposed to do was make more soldiers so they can defend the woman... = Set max woman to 86, 12 on wood/stone/metal, 50 on field.
- Siege units are noted to be idle unless nearby enemy siege units would come which they'll try to destroy, when it does destroy enemy siege and that enemy buildings are not in range, it will return idle = Fix the interaction somehow, so it doesn't idle, basically once its provoked, it will move to attack until its destroyed.

I'll reiterate the most important past problem as well as good suggestion too in case you are lost:
- Healers are idle(which you did fix in economy master, hopefully in Turtle too)
- Heroes are not trained.
- Start trading at T3 not T2.
+ Make towers all over the place.
+ Make fortress in between Civil Centre.
That is all.

Edit: Honestly its best you start scratch with vanilla 28's Petra AI, then integrate your code into it. 'Expert Petra' has a different goal in playstyle in mind, currently the vanilla is doing better then it. I've fought it before, its weaker then yours. If the 'Expert Petra' author sees this, I don't mean to lower your morale, I'm honest here so in case you need my feedback I'll help you, although I'm mentally tired today haha.

commands(1).txt commands(2).txt commands(3).txt

Edited 1 hour ago by Tapothei