Adeimantos
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Here's how I see it and think it should be:
Crush is damage caused by the weight of the projectile or weapon, pierce is damage caused by a sharp and fast moving but lightweight weapon. If someone slings a heavy stone at you and you block it with a shield it's likely to break your arm, which an arrow wouldn't do, but the arrow is harder to dodge and more likely to kill you if it hits you in the bare chest. Hack is in-between; it's a close range attack with both weight and sharpness, and can best be blocked using another melee weapon like a sword.
Agility means more crush armor, armor and especially shields give pierce armor, and both of those and having a good melee weapon gives hack armor.
Wooden structures are most vulnerable to hack, stone buildings to crush, but both have high resistance to all attacks and siege weapons have high damage multipliers against them.
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On 18/10/2022 at 1:54 PM, Stan` said:
I believe removing multiple damage types at the same time eg having hack and pierce on the same unit might make balancing easier without the need for counters.
I like having multiple damage types, without it i think we would need more damage types or more hard counters.
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2 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:
In general, I think we should avoid a strict counter system like in AOE. Instead, 0ad has generally allowed the natural stats of different units to result in some units countering others depending on the context. ie archers beat skirmishers when range is important. I guess an exception to this is the cavalry damage multiplier.
i've been thinking about a crush armor rework for a while now. Overall, it should be a reduction with some units having more or less than others, but then one would have to adjust slingers for example as necessary. I think something like this would be done after the current balancing efforts (like how I postponed the unit specific upgrades).
As for area of effect damage, I would say it doesn't belong on chariots since they are currently ranged units only. I think there was some work done on giving eles an area of effect attack, but I am not sure how easy this would be to add to the mod.
@Adeimantos in terms of unit differentiation (unit roles) what do you think of my unit specific upgrades idea?
these upgrades are already in my fork of the community mod: https://gitlab.com/real_tabasco_sauce/0-a-d-community-mod-unit-specific-upgrades/-/tree/unit_upgrades
the discussion on these upgrades is below.
I think of crush as damage that can best be avoided by dodging. So generally lightly armed, agile units would have the most crush resistance. Shields give pierce armor, and body armor and melee weapons both give hack armor.
I prefer using regular unit stats rather than artificial counters to make some units good against others, but we need a full system of unit counters unless we add some other major effects to the game, like different terrains giving different advantages for instance; it's important that we be different from other games by having features they don't, not by lacking features they have.
I'm neutral on the unit specific upgrades, I'd have to try them some to decide if they function as just general buffs or if they change the way units can be used. I think I like the fire arrows idea; they should slow the attack rate so for a lot of units they wouldn't help much, but should make archers effective against siege and wooden buildings. That would change archers role pretty significantly though, we'd have to test and see how it works out.
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15 hours ago, Adeimantos said:
My ideas:
Archers should be good against unarmored units and slingers against armored ones; do this by reducing crush armor on armored units especially, add more crush damage on slingers, (so may need to increase crush armor on buildings and hard counters for siege). Archers should have a little more attack.
Javelineers should counter archers and jav cavalry. I'd add armor, especially pierce, and reduce attack rate.
Elephants and chariots should cause AoE damage.
I think melee units are mostly good now, but I'd like to add an axeman unit with higher damage and lower armor; mainly good against siege.
Should I put any of these ideas into the community mod?
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On 15/09/2022 at 5:08 AM, Lion.Kanzen said:
Related post.
My ideas:
Archers should be good against unarmored units and slingers against armored ones; do this by reducing crush armor on armored units especially, add more crush damage on slingers, (so may need to increase crush armor on buildings and hard counters for siege). Archers should have a little more attack.
Javelineers should counter archers and jav cavalry. I'd add armor, especially pierce, and reduce attack rate.
Elephants and chariots should cause AoE damage.
I think melee units are mostly good now, but I'd like to add an axeman unit with higher damage and lower armor; mainly good against siege.
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I was looking forward to using the call to arms command, but it doesn't seem to be working. I added a hot key for it but when I press it nothing happens. Any tips, also general tips on useful hotkeys? I mostly just use idle worker (.) and garrison (ctrl).
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A few years ago I helped a bit with a project making a mod kind of like age of mythology. It didn't get terribly far, but maybe the project could be resurrected, I'd like that.
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Will there ever be a version that lasts several years without mod-breaking changes, so I can work on mods without feeling like it's a waste of time?
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The main obstacle to modding is that every year or two the next version comes out and breaks the mods. For someone who doesn’t have a lot of free time that doesn’t give much time to make mods. I’m waiting till A24 before I do anything, and I hope we can make a permanent version soon, though we should continue with a development version in addition.
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I wish we could make one version the standard one so I could build mods without worrying that they may be obsolete in a few months.
Also I wondered if there are small tasks someone with moderate modding ability could do to help finish A24.
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I wondered if there is anyway to make a unit use special attacks or switch between two weapons in a mod?
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Is there any news on how the next edition is coming?
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1 hour ago, Stan` said:
Sure. What can you do ?
I can do basic modding, for instance, using existing material I put together an axeman unit and made it buildable. I think I am also good at balancing units’ strength and abilities. I’m not likely to have a lot of time though.
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I’d love to be part of making this mod if I had the time. Mythology or fantasy is the best RTS setting because you have such a diverse range of units and possible abilities.
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If the lag was fixed this game would be as good as the best RTS games out there. As it is I have to stick with smaller and more open map types, which really limits how much I play it. Is progress being made on fixing the lag? Is there anything a modded can do to affect it?
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I like the changes that have been made, but the lag is even worse than before, so much that even 1v1 single player slows down to 3 fps right away, which is too slow to be worth playing. Haven’t played for a few months, has anything been done to improve that?
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I replaced the A22 with A23, but was still using the old shortcut that's why that error happened it seems
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Since I downloaded alpha 23, whenever I try to start a game it comes up with lots of errors and no units show up on the map, and I can't build any new ones either. Any idea why this is and how to fix it?
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In the animations above the main downward attack is good, it's about how I split wood except left handed, of the other two one is clumsy and one is weak, though between feints and blocking you might do those in battle occasionally.
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I am just using props that are already in the game files, there are a couple axes in the props already with long handles about like the one above. I wondered how to make a unit fight using the woodcutting animations.
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It would be interesting to see how much social commentary could be put into a game. Perhaps nihilists, with a backstory similar to that of the freedom group, and the barbarians from the steppes could be two different groups.
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I made an axeman, giving it the mauryan axe, and swordsman animations, but wondered if there were two handed animations available; the axe is long enough and it's not quite realistic for it to be handled like a sword.
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I thought you were just basing it on Europe at 400 AD, it is interesting looking at it as a timeless depiction of the different organizing motives of human societies. Religion, wealth, natural law or the ideals of freedom and equality, and tribalism are all things societies have been organized around. I think a tribal society is more governed by culture and relationship in peaceful times, and by strong leaders in dangerous ones. I would suggest that these organizing motives are not simply good or bad, that each can be good or bad depending on if it is moderate or extreme and what context it is in. Showing that could give more depth to the concept.
A campaign could be made to illustrate this, and it could be done in just about any game; I'm not sure it would be worth it to make a major mod for that reason. A fantasy mod would be fun for its own sake though
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I'd be more interested in a more creative alternate history, where you change some significant event and imagine what different results that might cause, rather than just transposing existing history into fantasy themes.
Unit roles and balance
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I would think chariots should be a more armored unit, horse archers faster.