greycat

Short video you guys may like to watch about Roman Empire and the death of the Gaulish language and culture.

It is very bad when governments do that kind of thing. This is what happened in France with the Brenton language. "Since the 19th century, under the Third, Fourth and Fifth Republics, the government has attempted to stamp out minority languages in state schools, including Breton, in an effort to build a national culture. Teachers humiliated students for using their regional languages, and such practices prevailed until the late 1960s"

I heard that language is having some kind of a revival (300 fluent speakers) I only like dead languages...

"Brythons, or Gauls" This tells me In the eyes of the man who derived the word Brythonic these two are the same "or" or1—used as a function word to indicate an alternative

...but we do have some words that the man who derived the word Brythonic says...This gives us some very good clues. "Roughly speaking, however, one may say that the whole Celtic family was made up of two branches or groups, the Goidelic group and the Gallo-Brythonic one ; and every Celt of the United Kingdom is, so far as language is concerned, either a Goidel or a Brython. The Goidels were undoubtedly the first Celts to come to Britain, as their geographical position to the west and north of the others would indicate, as well as the fact that no trace of them has ever been identified on the Continent. They had probably been in the island for centuries when the Brythons, or Gauls, came and drove them westward" Sir John Rhys This indicates to me they would be speaking mostly Brythonic and not Goidelic.

My main point here is that the people speaking Goidelic/ Irish Gaelic have not been discovered yet at this time to my knowledge...Or am I wrong?

Also the map indicates what is considered Gaul by the Romans was a changing expanding thing over time also.

Some anthropologists don't like this name. They say the small amount if Celtic artifacts are not enough to justify it being called Celtic. They look at the bigger picture. Not trying to make you angry...The point is the Irish also had a large pre-Celtic influence, so they are not a good indicator of language of the Gauls/Brythons who are present in this area at this time. In the furthest stretch of the word Celt (ancient writers did no do this), Goidelic people are also Celts but they are not Brythonic/Brittons.

Yes but they are not known to have spoken Goidelic in this area called Britannia.(see map) Don't like name?

ok, no problem.

Repartition of Gaul ca. 54 BC

Koch argues that in pre-Christian Ireland the most formal register of the language would have been that used by the learned and religious class, the druids, for their ceremonies and teaching. After the conversion to Christianity the druids lost their influence, and formal Primitive Irish was replaced by the then Upper Class Irish of the nobility and Latin, the language of the new learned class, the Christian monks. Professor John T. Koch is an American academic, historian and linguist who specializes in Celtic studies, especially prehistory and the early Middle Ages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._Koch

Also we are looking a this from a "Celtic language" perspective it seems...

He also states this is divergent from the way ancient authors used the word Celt. Yes. The Gauls and the Brythons were likely speaking the same language around the time of Caesar. The Goedelic speaking people seem to be a mixture of pre-Celtic people and Celtic? Old Irish (Goedelic) would still seem to not be the best language to to represent the Celts as speaking at this time at least not the Gauls or Brittons. I am also looking for truth, not just trying to prove myself correct...

"As might be expected, ancient authors commonly mix up the two names, and from that of the Celtae of old modern writers have derived the terms Celt and Celtic, which are employed in speaking of the family in its widest sense. This would be a further extension of the meaning of the old word, as Britain was considered to be outside the Celtic world. It was an island beyond Celtica, or over against it, as the ancients were wont to say." "The ancient Gauls must also be classified with them, since the Brythons may be regarded as Gauls who came over to settle in Britain. Moreover, the language of most of the country south of the Forth, where English now prevails, probably differed little at the time of the Roman conquest from that of the Gauls of the Continent. This form of Celtic afterwards spread itself by degrees among the Goidels in the west of the island ; so that the later Brythons there cannot be regarded as wholly Brythons in point of blood, a very considerable proportion of them being probably Goidels using the language of the other Celts" "Roughly speaking, however, one may say that the whole Celtic family was made up of two branches or groups, the Goidelic group and the Gallo-Brythonic one ; and every Celt of the United Kingdom is, so far as language is concerned, either a Goidel or a Brython. The Goidels were undoubtedly the first Celts to come to Britain, as their geographical position to the west and north of the others would indicate, as well as the fact that no trace of them has ever been identified on the Continent. They had probably been in the island for centuries when the Brythons, or Gauls, came and drove them westward. The Goidels, it is right to say, had done the same with another people, for there is no reason to suppose that when they came here, they found the country without inhabitants. Thus we get at least three peoples to deal with — two Celtic and one pre-Celtic ; and a great difficulty in writing the history of early Britain arises from the circumstance that the ancient authors, on whom we have to rely for our information, never troubled themselves to make nice distinctions between these races, though they were probably in different stages of civilization." John Rhys: Celtic Britain (1884) http://books.google.com/books?id=jHMNAAAAIAAJ&oe=UTF-8 https://archive.org/details/celticbritain00rhysgoog

Sir John Rhys was a Welsh scholar, fellow of the British Academy, celticist and the first Professor of Celtic at Oxford University. Rhys gained his knighthood in 1907, and in 1911 was appointed to the Privy Council. Rhys was one of the founding Fellows of The British Academy when it was given its Royal Charter in 1902, and after his death the Academy established an annual lecture in his name, the Sir John Rhys Memorial Lecture. The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography declares him to be "foremost among the scholars of his time" in his published fields, noting that "his pioneering studies provided a firm foundation for future Celtic scholarship and research for many decades."

Brythonic and Goedelic maybe? The name Brythonic was derived by Welsh Celticist John Rhys from the Welsh word Brython, meaning an indigenous Briton as opposed to an Anglo-Saxon or Gael.

Ok I would like to change my word "offensive" to insensitive...

Also I have nothing against St. Patrick, he did not carry a sword. It is the day named from him I don't like. He used Celtic ideas to convert (save?) people.

Even if they did speak Goidelic also by the 5th Century there is no evidence of them speaking it or even being in Ireland in the time frame of game. They killed them for religious reasons and not because of the language they spoke. The language is not offensive, having Celts speak it as their native language is. It also goes against science. You have to understand they were driven to Ireland and were not from there. I don't hate the Irish culture or language.

A closer language to the Celts would be Welsh. This is why having the Celts speaking Irish in the game is personally offensive to me. St. Patrick is known for driving the snakes out of Ireland. These snakes were the druids, the last followers of the Celtic religion. I have nothing against the Irish language or people of today, but celebrating St. Patrick's day is almost as bad as celebrating Hitlers day to me. I believe I may have upset to many people here already and have decided to create my own game were pagans are more properly depicted. Thanks.

The Gaulish language is the earliest recorded language of western Europe, and can therefore be considered its aboriginal language. It is a Celtic language closely related to Welsh, Cornish and Breton, and more distantly to Irish, Scottish Gaelic and Manx. http://www.moderngaulish.com/

I need to do more research into this but it seems to be closer to Latin than the modern Celtic language are...

If you want to use old Irish to make the game more fun, this is fine. I just wanted to explain this is not historically accurate.

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