greycat

Thanks.

ok.. I see my error in thinking. The British would be a culture of mostly Celtic origin at the time(there was people there already not considered Celts by ancient authors). The rest of the factions seem to be cultures? If they were just called Celts in game that would work also i.m.o. They would be a tribe of Celts in Britain. But not be representing the British culture as a whole. However, there is one thing that the Romans, modern archaeologists and the Iron Age islanders themselves would all agree on: they were not Celts. This was an invention of the 18th century; the name was not used earlier. The idea came from the discovery around 1700 that the non-English island tongues relate to that of the ancient continental Gauls, who really were called Celts. This ancient continental ethnic label was applied to the wider family of languages. But 'Celtic' was soon extended to describe insular monuments, art, culture and peoples, ancient and modern: island 'Celtic' identity was born, like Britishness, in the 18th century. http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/british_prehistory/peoples_01.shtml

By calling the Celts British in the game says to me that they are now the civilization of those they displaced.

I realize it is my own issue and others don't share my thoughts. Mostly this... The term "Celts" (Keltoi, Celtae) in ancient ethnography did not extend to the Britons, although some writers noted their culture was very similar to that of the Gauls (i.e. Continental Celtic groups).

This is why most people are misinformed. I will stop posting now. In the 1970s the continuity model was taken to an extreme, popularized by Colin Burgess in his book The Age of Stonehenge which theorized that Celtic culture in Great Britain "emerged" rather than resulted from invasion and that the Celts were not invading aliens, but the descendants of the people of Stonehenge. The existence of Celtic language elsewhere in Europe, however, and the dating of the Proto-Celtic culture and language to the Bronze Age, makes the most extreme claims of continuity impossible New World Enclclopedia: http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Celts

sry...I can't always get my ideas through...I have social anxiety disorder and ocd. This would be a general indicator of when they were there. "The earliest Gallo-Belgic coins that have been found in Britain date to before 100 BC, perhaps as early as 150 BC." wikipedia Julius Caesar first landed in Britain on August 26th, 55 BC, but it was almost another hundred years before the Romans actually conquered Britain in AD 43. source:http://www.historytoday.com/richard-cavendish/julius-caesar%E2%80%99s-first-landing-britain Caesar's Gallic Wars essays chronicle the history of his military engagements during the years 58-51 B.C. in Gaul, Germany, and Britain. source:http://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/g/gallic-wars/book-summary

No evidence until around time of Caesar.

My only problem is Celts were not in England in 500 BC. There is no evidence of this.

These are not proper terms to be historically accurate i.m.o. Maybe it is because I am a neopagan. I just learn to make my own game I guess. ...I am also a historical war gamer.

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no sry... I mean we created the word viking at later time. from Old Norse vīkingr First Known Use: 1807 Origin of Celt Late Latin celtis chisel First Known Use: 1715

Britannia The first writer to use a form of the name was the Greek explorer and geographer Pytheas in the 4th century BC. Pytheas referred to Prettanike or Brettaniai, a group of islands off the coast of North-Western Europe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britannia

The idea came from the discovery around 1700 that the non-English island tongues relate to that of the ancient continental Gauls, who really were called Celts. This ancient continental ethnic label was applied to the wider family of languages. But 'Celtic' was soon extended to describe insular monuments, art, culture and peoples, ancient and modern: island 'Celtic' identity was born, like Britishness, in the 18th century. source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/british_prehistory/peoples_01.shtml

We get the name Celt from more modern times like vikings.

After Gaul was back under Roman control. Caesar went there.

So we know they were there from at least c. 50 AD at least...at the moment.

"Celtic Britain"

Always good to share knowledge.

Celtic Peoples of Roman Britain

However, there is one thing that the Romans, modern archaeologists and the Iron Age islanders themselves would all agree on: they were not Celts. This was an invention of the 18th century; the name was not used earlier. The idea came from the discovery around 1700 that the non-English island tongues relate to that of the ancient continental Gauls, who really were called Celts. This ancient continental ethnic label was applied to the wider family of languages. But 'Celtic' was soon extended to describe insular monuments, art, culture and peoples, ancient and modern: island 'Celtic' identity was born, like Britishness, in the 18th century. source: previous post

Archaeologists widely agree on two things about the British Iron Age: its many regional cultures grew out of the preceding local Bronze Age, and did not derive from waves of continental 'Celtic' invaders. And secondly, calling the British Iron Age 'Celtic' is so misleading that it is best abandoned. Dr Simon James is Senior Lecturer in Archaeology at the University of Leicester. He specialises in Iron Age and Roman archaeology, Celtic ethnicity and the archaeology of violence and warfare. BBC History:http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/british_prehistory/peoples_01.shtml

Celts between ca. 450 ca. 900 migrating into France from southwestern England. Brittany Brittany is the name of the north-western peninsula of modern France. The people known as Bretons came from what is now southwestern England on the island of Britain in a series of migrations from the fourth to ninth centuries, most heavily between ca. 450 ca. 600, moving into an area of Gaul inhabited by Latin-speaking Romanized Gauls. They brought with them their Celtic language and culture, which continue today in Lower Brittany. In Upper (eastern) Brittany, Latin eventually evolved into Gallo, a dialect of the French langue d' oïl. This has always been the language of the current capital city of Rennes and the historic capital of Nantes, Brittanys largest city. Source: see above

source: University of Whales http://www.wales.ac.uk/Resources/Documents/Research/CelticLanguages/IntroductionBrittanyMaps.pdf

ok.

The Celtic language is still represented in France by the " Breizad " or " Breizonic " (that is to say, Bry- thouic) of Brittany, and in the United Kingdom by the " Cjnnric " of Wales, the " Erse " of Ire- land, and its offshoot, the "Gaelic" of the High- lands. source: The British race (1909) : http://www.archive.o...nruoft_djvu.txt http://ia600204.us.a...e00munruoft.pdf