Citizen-Soldiers and Female Citizens

[tomwm]

With the new technology to upgrade Citizen-Soldiers ranks from the Barracks, I'm starting to wonder if I should just use Female Citizens to gather resources instead of both.

How much more effective are Citizen-Soldiers at gathering resources compared to Female Citizens? Does anyone know the exact percentage?

Thanks

[sanderd17]

You can always read the actual templates.

Typical Females: http://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/template_unit_support_female_citizen.xml#L59

Typical Males: http://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/template_unit_infantry.xml#L65

But it becomes worse when they upgrade. See the Athen Elite Archer: http://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/units/athen_infantry_archer_e.xml#L22

It's baseSpeed is reduced to 0.5. Which means it gathers resources only half as fast as the basic infantry unit.

The actual stats might differ a bit per civ, but this will be the general trend.

[Zeta1127]

There are apparently two values that govern gathering resources, Rates and BaseSpeed. The bonuses to the Rates for each unit type are as follows, Female Citizens have a 50% bonus to foraging and farming, Citizen-Soldiers have a 5% bonus to woodcutting and a 25% bonus to quarrying and mining, and Cavalry Citizen-Soldiers have a 400% bonus to hunting and herding, but can only hunt and herd. The BaseSpeed is the value effected by the promotion, so Advanced Citizen-Soldiers are 25% less efficient at gathering resources than Basic Citizen-Soldiers, and Elite Citizen-Soldiers are 25% less efficient at gathering resources than Advanced Citizen-Soldiers (50% less efficient that Basic Citizen-Soldiers). I never bother using Citizen-Soldiers for woodcutting, I didn't even know about the woodcutting bonus until I looked it up just now.

Note: These stats are all in the ResourceGatherer section of the following files in public/simulation/templates directory, template_unit_support_female_citizen.xml, template_unit_infantry.xml, and template_unit_cavalry.xml. In order to look at these files you need a text editor like Notepad++.

[av93]

I think that the tech should only affect new soldiers trained on barracks, not the soldiers trained in civic centers.

[iNcog]

You can always read the actual templates.

Typical Females: http://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/template_unit_support_female_citizen.xml#L59

Typical Males: http://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/template_unit_infantry.xml#L65

But it becomes worse when they upgrade. See the Athen Elite Archer: http://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/templates/units/athen_infantry_archer_e.xml#L22

It's baseSpeed is reduced to 0.5. Which means it gathers resources only half as fast as the basic infantry unit.

The actual stats might differ a bit per civ, but this will be the general trend.

Yeah just looking at these stats it's clear to me that it's easier to boom with females, infantry is something I see giving a big early game boost to the economy but once you start looking for a standard army you needa rely on farming and trading to generate resources.

Totally agree with this.

[sanderd17]

so Advanced Citizen-Soldiers are 25% less efficient at gathering resources than Basic Citizen-Soldiers, and Elite Citizen-Soldiers are 25% less efficient at gathering resources than Advanced Citizen-Soldiers (50% less efficient that Basic Citizen-Soldiers).

Ooh this math hurts. Take 1, subtract 25%, you're at 0.75. Subtract 25% again and you're at 0.56.

The elite is 50% less effective than basic. Period.

For completeness, I think it's good to produce some infantry at the start of the game for gathering. So you can fend off a rush (or at least have a chance), but after researching the promotion techs, you probably shouldn't gather with them anymore.