[[javascript] Web Worker supported in RMS and AI?]

Got my first AI build going. So far so interesting. I'm curious to know how to change default AI selection in game creation menu?

[[javascript] Web Worker supported in RMS and AI?]

Documentation:

• AI Engine API
  

And I think the AI's weakness is that it lacks the ingenuity of a human That and currently all the AIs are scared of water.

Thanks for the documenation. Thats one challege I'll try to tackle then! *Thumbs up*

I don't know too much about the AI system, but I do know one major factor is serialization. If you start adding multithreaded without much thought, you'll end up causing players to desync.

I'm glad you brought that up. Thats another challenge to tackle: making it multiplayer supported with muiltithreaded without causing out of sync. Before I do that, I want to get familar with concepts that 0AD can offer before I can begin my creation with muiltithreading support. I can't guarantee anything at this point but I want to try. My personal goal is to try to make an AI without it sucking up the main threads as much as possible.

So far, I'm still researching around what 0ad has to offer for muiltithreading. Does it offer JavaScript's Web Work or is there alternative to it?

[[javascript] Web Worker supported in RMS and AI?]

Hello, I'm a long time lurker here. I've been watching 0AD progressing and it is a beautiful game. I haven't mod with it very much, but now I got some free times to play around with it.

Anyway, I am curious to know if Web Worker is supported in AI and RMS? Is AI muilti threaded already supported? Having muilti-threaded AI could help with performance in late game.

I'm researching around to begin the AI creation for fun but before I begin, there are several things I would like to know:

1. is there any references document for AI

2. list of deprecated functions that shouldn't be used but exists in game? I would like to try to avoid outdated functions.

3. What are the 0AD AI system's most weakness?

I'm excited to learn how to make AI and possibly contribute something useful!

[New GUI: Design & Features Discussion]

A thought just hit my mind: I'm not sure if other games has this feature but what if you place those buttons (train, research, or upgrades) ABOVE the unit/building instead of placing those buttons in the UI container?

Heres a rough image of what I'm talking about: (using the Mythos_rule's screenshot that i modified)

Those buttons are transparent until you mouse over them which then becomes completely solid.

[Game Server]

A new server is found with the new update to game lobby server.

Edit: Link removed (my account got suspended due to exceeding CPU quota on their server.)

Changelog:

New server for web hosting.

Contain several bug fixes.

Improved performance

Each user are named 0AD_## instead of their ip address. (I will add renaming feature to rename their nickname)

Chat/talk fixes

Speed up game list refresh rate

New feature: Now show which host is offline (host that is not connected to lobby server but still hosting);

Some other new features such as port numbering and nickname from the documentation provded by sergiovier

EDIT: forgot a new feature, you can sort game list by game name, latency, and host.

@sergiovier: I've added some of those specifications to the server I'm building. Let me know how it goes and we'll work together from there

I will continue work on adding more features and add security layers to it. Feel free to post your wishes/suggestions.

By the way, I am aware of my failing English noted here. I apology but bear with me lol.

Issues with this server:

This server is slow. The ping can spike.

Can easily be messed up.

[Game Server]

@Sergiovier: Interesting idea, so you're going to try to build these web services for your php build or you want me to follow those outlines and apply them to my server so your php application can use them?

I think 0ad team will implement an internal lobby, so this will be the best (only) place where you can launch a 0ad multiplayer game. But we can always have a web interface to show the lobby activity.

They will implement it, but for now, my lobby server provides temporary mean of finding games (once it gets back up and running) for users while developers create their lobby in 0AD.

Edit: I took this opportunity to learn more about gaming lobby since I have never had this kind of experience

[Game Server]

According to my web hosting server. I've been suspended. 10Xhosting do not like the chat feature. I will have to find another server for this.

@sergiovier if your REST application can launch 0ad game automatically then that would be great because popular browsers does not permit it. Users will still need to launch the game manually then use copy/paste ip address to join games. Let me know if you plan to do this.

@Kimball I am slowly working out bugs. I will do the essential ones such as sorting list and nickname (if I'm right, retrieving users' name on other domain will not happen unless 0ADLobbyserver is on same domain as this website. However, I can be wrong about this. )

You could email me your team's email address so we can talk.

[Arcadia II?]

Looking real nice there pal.

[Spam Bots]

You could force a user to type in random characters to match the string upon registering an account. It's not perfect but it does it job keeping spam bot users out really well.

[[questions] multiplayer components]

Gotcha, I dont really need to be good in C but I just need to be able to find information about 0AD and how to make browser and 0ad communicate to each other. If 0AD game does not handle HTTP then what other protocol does 0AD game handle?

Edit: I've trying to create something similar the way teamspeak uses like.

If it has it's own protocol handler then I could use it instead of using HTTP? I'm not sure what other protocol to use that could communicate itself to 0AD

[[questions] multiplayer components]

Hm, those .cpp and .h files are somewhat new to me. Will takes time to know them all.

Will the source files be updated to the game automatically If i make a change on it using notepad or do I need to use a program that applies updates to the game?

Right now, I'm trying to communicate to the 0A.D via loopback now.

How do I make 0.A.D respond back if a connection to 0.A.D from a browser using http://localhost:20595/

Right now, it is not acknowledging that 0A.D has receives the communication from the browser.

[[questions] multiplayer components]

Ah, I c. I am going to reinstall with that.

I will let you know how things goes.

Thanks for the fast reply Ykkrosh.

[[questions] multiplayer components]

I'm not finding a network folder that u're mentioning, perhaps is this because im using alpha 1 installed by autoinstaller (setup.exe)?

I do see network.js but that does not seem to be it

[[questions] multiplayer components]

Which file in 0A.D folder reveals the network source code? Can i open it with notpad?

Which port does 0AD uses to allow users to play multiplayers online?

I'm trying to connect users from webpage into the 0ad to setup a game using loopback communication (so a browser can communicate to 0a.d via localhost)

I'm little new to C but i'm trying to learn.

[Game Server]

I've thought about embedding WebKit, but I think it'll be quite a pain to do it portably and efficiently. It'd probably be easier for an in-game lobby client to just use our current custom GUI system for rendering (and we should add an HTTP API so GUI scripts can communicate with the server).

I can imagine it being troublesome to be planting it into the the 0A.D. You're right, it's probably not worth the files space and security flaws they might pose. I don't know much about all the engines and C programming and all that, but I could understand all the works involve in it now. I'll start programming the client side browsers to try to interact with the 0A.D via "bidirectional communication" once I know what it needs to communicate with 0A.D.

*goes look for a document around here to find more about how to communicate to 0A.D*

[Game Server]

@dementor:

Which file are you refering to? We do not know the status of your pc. What operating system is it? are the software and features installed and ready? What files does it lack?

For now, I'll use that web hosting. It's not a big deal to use your server right now.

@Ykkrosh: I'm lending toward on your opinion about the "predetermined port" because I believe that 0A.D can do more features with the outside communications than just the through the protocol handle which may be an hassle to deal with. It could also allow voice chat (would not work good in this case since it's a free server which can make it unreliable and slow until the lobby server get a real server) which some user would like to have. Unless a user has a plugin that allows javascript to start 0A.D automatically, the user of will still have to run the program manually, of course.

Maybe 0A.D could use a browser engine like webkit, or gecko to communicate directly to the server while inside the game as a part browser (without depending on those popular browsers?)

Anyhow,

I've made some more progress on the Lobby Server. It is much more stable and is more completed.

It also now allow hosts to stop hosting when they're done hosting.

They can now remain hosting the game without needing to run browser in background. When the server loses connection with you while you're still hosting, the server will eventually see you being offline and mark you as a inactive hosting (but your game would be still being hosted) and your hosting session will become restored as an active host once you visit the lobby server later. The benefit of this to free up CPU and RAM for 0A.D to run more smoothly on old machines while your game is being hosted.

[Game Server]

I've released a somewhat operational lobby server. It is incomplete but it should be able to help people find games by their ip addresses.

It does not connect you to the game automatically yet since I do not know how to make the lobby server communicate to 0AD game yet. I'm thinking about communicating through memory by using clipboard?

This server's url is http://0adlobby.x10.bz/0adLobby.html and it is being operated on a free server so it will be running slow and might go down sometimes if people abuse it. I am trying to keep this thing free and allow access to everyone so the users don't have to sign in without a charge.

Again, I'd like to point out that some feature are still incomplete therefore they can be glitchy.

Feel free to test around.

The following features that I plan to add later when I have more free time:

User sign in/out (so that username are displayed instead of their ip addresses)

friend list

@dementor: The server doesnt really have to be new to be good. We can test it later if you can get it up and running. Are you saying that you having trouble configuring the server?

@tatewatkins: I am not very good in C programming so I'd have hard time reading SpringLobby's open source code.

[Pink screen of death]

Ahh, I see whats the cause.

Installer tries to use up my main disk drive (C:\) where it extracts/uncompress to where it has very low amount of space available and I went to My Computer to check my free space and it said 0 bytes free of 35.6 (it was 225mb free before I open the installer but now its 0 free when the same error came up).

I've solved this by moving the installer.exe to k:\ drive to give c:\ more space and it went successfully installed.

The installer was located in My Download folder (where my firefox downloads file to), and temp folder is 55mb big but temp folder was located within the c:\ where it doesnt really have much free space left.

The blame is my main drive.

Edit: Reinstalling the game removes the pink screen of death. I think it was a corrupted configuration (probably by me lol). Thanks.

While in full screen my cursor doesnt show up at all. I could move my mouse around and see thing gets highlighted in main menu but there are no cursor. This is not a big deal to me since I like to play in Windowed screen since windowed screen doesnt have this bug.

[Pink screen of death]

I have 33gb of free space on my disk that I am trying to install 0ad to.

[Pink screen of death]

I've decided to reinstall the game from scratch by using setup.exe file instead of using Tortoise.

This is my install path:

The installer gave me an error when the progress bar reached 80%, saying something about "Extract: error writing to file rain_11.ogg".

The error dialog:

[Pink screen of death]

It is recent and my ATI CCC has an About dialog that tells you about the version and the .NET framework Version (attached below).

It worked before Alpha 1 was released. I just recently upgraded to Alpha 1 three days ago. It worked fine before I updated the game using the TortoiseSVN.

I am not sure which SVN version I might had. How can I find that out?

[Game Server]

@ sergiovier; Great!

@ dementor; how reliable is the server is? All it need is a reliable connection and a decent speed. It will use Javascript and PHP features as well as a MySQL database to store the gamelist.

[Pink screen of death]

(generated 2010-09-05 12:00:33 UTC)

OS			 : Vista SP 2 (6.0.6002)
CPU			: IA-32, Intel Core2 Duo	 E4700  @ 2.60GHz (1x1x1), 3.00 GHz
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Graphics Card  : ATI Radeon HD 3800 Series
OpenGL Drivers : 3.3.10151 Compatibility Profile Context; 
Video Mode	 : 1024x768:32
Sound Card	 : High Definition Audio Device
Sound Drivers  : OpenAL32.dll (unknown)
Network Name   : RJS-Desktop (192.168.1.67)

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My ATI CCC software version is 2010.0803.2125.36577

Edit: I am using 64 bit OS Window Vista.

[Greek Scout Tower]

I love the look. It's beautiful.

[Game Server]

It'd be just for lobby. The way i see, it could show list of available games (for players to be able connect in order to automatically join a game in a peer to peer networking manner), ping speed, friend list, and chat lobby/game rooms.

A good example of this would be MSN Zone where it used to acted like a lobby server for AOE II.

Edit: I will be using this, as Ykkrosh has recommended, with JSON-over-HTTP.