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EKen132

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  1. Sure, and that's why I thanked you :P

    The benefits of debate are very clear, and most of what you've said (the sarcastic element of the article discluded of course) is democracy working at its best.

    Public transportation is heaven-sent, and state funded universities are crucial. I may believe SS is doomed, but that certainly doesn't mean it never was a good idea.

    I think the main issue this turns into is about the other ideas that are associated with liberalism, especially the most newest ones- like abortion, etc. The "uncompromisables", if you will. The liberal party as helper of the poor. OK, fine (methods not my favorite, but alright). The liberal party as corporate watchdog, sure. The liberal party as civil rights champion... sometimes. There's a line drawn somewhere between anti-racism and pro-abortion, for me and for many. The primary civil right is life, and I think that focus has been lost in other causes being championed. But it's a complex issue.

    Anyhow, one more thanks, you wine-drinking, cheese-eating, godless, tree-hugging, commie liberal. ;)

  2. I agree 100%, but if you (and obviously a lot of other people) find that the mere fact we exist is proof of God, then how come so many of the world's leading scientific minds laugh at the thought of His existance?

    That's a tough question. I think if anyone truly forces themselves to think about these questions, I think it's very difficult to honestly deny the existance of some transcendal being (transcendental meaning transcends the simple laws that define our universe). But not a lot of people get burned at the stake for saying it out loud anymore, so that could have something to do with it.

    Anyhow, many, if not most, of the world's greatest minds in the few thousand years before the last century did believe in a God, so that is slightly reassuring... but little more than it is unsettling that so many today don't.

    Anyhow, I have to get some stuff done, enough forum posting (this surely means I'll have at least two more 300+ word posts by the end of the night).

  3. No offense to any atheists, but I cannot seem to fully understand the position that they take. I cannot begin to imagine living with the belief that there is nothing after this life, nothing to live for, nothing to hope for. Of course its their choice and I respect their choice even if I do not understand it.

    That is an angle I have seen, but it is not one I have felt substantially. I mean sure it seems really bleak, but I'm more inclined to believe in God when I start wondering about life. What is it. I mean the universe is so incredibly simple. There is matter, energy, there is space, and there is this property "charge". There are a handful of rules that govern this universe, but in the end, it's all just massive amounts of the same stuff and the same rules applied over and over again. Somehow, we have this property too, it's life. It's not simply mass, it's not simply magnetism, it's not simply gravity. It's something that tells the very atoms in our body how to move and what to do. Human's have formed the molecules found in living organisms, sustained life in petri dishes, grown clones, but we have never ever figured out how to start life up, how to give it that little "push". But once it has the push, we can do all kinds of stuff, for better or worse.

    Even today in my AP biology class we did an in-depth study of DNA replication, and in my mind, there's no way that it can just be a chemical inevitability. There is way too much involved. At the atomic level, that is, you can count the atoms, and they move in tandem in all sorts of directions and make chains and loops and bonds and all sorts of things. I always drive my classmates nuts with these sorts of questions, but even my teacher doesn't know how these atoms can just do what they need to do. It's not like they have a brain controlling them. I just have an inability to view life as a chemical inevitability, and to view the human being as something fundamentally the same as every other creature on this planet. And I don't think it's just me ;)

    Also, back to that "the universe is simple" idea. If you think about it, it's mind-boggling. Why is anything here? Why is there anything at all? I mean unless it had some sort of purpose, wouldn't the entire universe be a vaccuum? Not even exist? Why does anything exist at all? Where did it come from? Hmm..

  4. I think that is a noble quote. To each his own, strive for excellence.

    I guess the only exception would be violence in the name of religion, which I believe is unjustified even if, say, your holy book calls for the killing of infidels.

  5. Yiuel, I may have misunderstood you, but are you honestly saying you wouldn't warn your children from doing tricks on their bikes just so they can learn the pain of falling over for themselves?

    And the age of reason is about 7. Which makes asking kids questions (who are below 7) very fun. Here is a excerpt from a project I did for psychology last year:

    Assignment 8: What Do Children Think?

    Name: Matt

    Age: 7

    Interview was held: In person

    1.) Where does the Sun go at night: “Around the world”

    2.) What makes the leaves fall off trees: “The wind”

    3.) How old do you think I am: “Fourteen”

    4.) Do you have a brother/sister? “Yes. I have a brother and a sister”

    5.) Does your brother have a brother? “No.”

    6.) Would you let a friend cheat off your math homework? “No” Why not? “Because I don’t want them cheating”

    Name: Daniel

    Age: 5

    Interview was held: In person

    1.) Where does the Sun go at night: “Down”

    2.) What makes the leaves fall off trees: “Wind”

    3.) How old do you think I am: “Ten”

    4.) Do you have a brother/sister? “Both”

    5.) Does your brother have a brother? “No”

    6.) Would you let a friend cheat off your math homework? After a pause, I asked what grade he was and he said kindergarten. This question really isn’t applicable to him, because there’s not a lot of math to cheat on in kindergarten.

    Name: Sarek

    Age: 6

    Interview was held: In person, but it was my aunt interviewing my second cousin.

    1.) Where does the Sun go at night: “What? The sun goes down”

    2.) What makes the leaves fall off trees: “Wind”

    3.) How old do you think I am: “Thirteen” (My aunt is fifty)

    4.) Do you have a brother? “No” (he does have a brother, actually)

    5.) Does your brother have a brother? “No!”

    6.) Would you let a friend cheat off your math homework? “No” Why not? “Because they will screw up… Because, math. We don’t play in math”

    There was more, like the stages of cognitive development... but this is basically the gist of what it means to be below the age of reason.

    Anyhow, I don't know what I'd tell my kids. It's tough to say, it really is.

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