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    Christianity and its branches

    in Hall of Intellectuals

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    Well, imho, you should bear in mind that the Holy Roman Church affirmed that dogma (quite lately: roughly in the middle of the XIX cent.) for a number of reasons. the most prominent being two:

    1)The marian cult (cult of Mary) was widespread and unrevertable

    2)By regulating this cult the Church hoped to get a better grasp over society (i'm not going into detail about this: it would force me to write down a too long post)

    The most prominent issue here is why the marian cult was so widespread. History tells us that strating from late middle-ages, the Francescan Order began a long time dispute with the Dominican Order about the divinity of Virgin Mary. A long series of popes were asked to give a judgement over the sanctity (i put it shortly: things were far more gradual and complicated) of Mary and they progressively gave in the Francescans issues, till (in middle XIX cent.) they proclamed the famous dogma.

    An ipothesis may be hereof sketched. A matter of faithfuls/citizens control (between Francescans and Dominicans at first, between the Church and the raising bourgeois and lay States later) must have been a strong influx here. Francescans fostered the cult of Virgin Mary in the last centuries of middle-ages (a cult maybe survived from the incomplete eradication of paganism) and reinassance. Later on their role was taken by gesuites, then (after gesuites order suppression) by the church itself. The cult of the Virgin nurtured a social model quite helpful to the Holy Curch. Useful to control the growing mass of peoples every day distracted by religion social control by another strong historical influx: the secularization tendency of modern and contemporary age (even if today we might argue that there is a reflux on this issue).

    Imho, over an initial survival of pagan cults, grew a more christianized cult about the Virgin Mary, wich could be accepted by the coeve absolute ruler of western religious scene: the Holy Roman Church.

    The cult of the saints is something very close (and maybe even earlier) to this example. The Church needed some examples to inspire the faithfuls (and to get some offers as well), and bothered little if these cults were not so logical and coherent with the idea of a unique God (even if we must bear in mind we are talking about a trinity here).

    "The war of the ring" By Nexus

    in The Green Dragon

    Posted

    Sweet AAR, even if it puzzles me a bit: last time i played the game, the Darkness player had less chance to overrun us (we managed to conquer Moria, as i said), and was less efficiant into stopping the fellowship. But maybe this depends on how fast the game was over: how many turns did you played in overall?

    Christianity and its branches

    in Hall of Intellectuals

    Posted

    Actually, many people pray the saints, here in Italy.

    And the same applies to Mary, Jesus's mother and so on. It's almost all accepted by the Catholic Roman Church (i.e. the pope): in the case of Mary and her sinless birth, it's an issue of the doctrine, it's a dogma: something that must be believed in to be a true faithful...

    Just to throw in some more fuel for this interesting discussion.

    :P

    Our English neighbours are not that bad ...

    in The Green Dragon

    Posted

    Mikael, lol.

    When i was in Oxford, i visited the Professor's tomb.

    Not much impressive, rather cold and ugly, i dare say.

    The place was very niche though (the classic english cemetery, out of a gothic or neogothic church, with a big lawn full of trees). It was just the tombstone, in a modern style polished granite (or marble) that looked a bit out of place.

    Never saw his house though... :)

    So uhm... how DO Noldor dry their hair?

    in The Green Dragon

    Posted

    About Noldor economics:

    1. Eregion-Moria trade has been forgotten. Later on though, it seems that Noldor elves preferred to shrine themselves from the rest of the world.

    2. As Elf stated: in previous times Noldor almost surely harvested, maybe there is a trend to revert to a hunter/gatherer kind of economics in later times (TA), as Yuel brilliantly displayed, wich would give us an interesting insight on the possible economic reasons for Noldor's diminishing number (though the professor made their creatures give different explanations).

    3. Digging deep into Lost and refound tales, UT and HoME might lead us to interesting new discoveries.

    Great thread, btw! :)

    Communism

    in Hall of Intellectuals

    Posted

    What were there arguments?  I didn't know this and I'm very interested to find out.

    Well, in ancient regime times, the Bible and the Gospels were the main sources of such arguments: if men were created unequal, then it was "divine" wille that said they had to remain so (even the gospels were bent to this useful interpretation.... )

    :cool:

    Ras

    P.S. This precise argument has been used to justify racial segregation and discrimination too, by the way....

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