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Yes. It is very early stage though.

So the Celts that arrived would have spoken Gaulish while the indigenous people would have spoken Breton which distantly related to Irish, Manx and Scottish Gaelic. The Gaulish language is an extinct Celtic language that was spoken in parts of France and the Swiss Rhine area in the Roman period.

According to anthropological research.The Welsh, Irish and other peoples who regard themselves as Celtic cousins are in fact ancient Bretons who include the original English peoples. The Breton language is also distantly related to Irish, Manx and Scottish Gaelic. http://www.omniglot.com/writing/breton.htm The word Nation does work but it usually comes with a dual meaning which I like to avoid.

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I think the most important thing taught to me is to not confuse the Celtic language with the Celtic culture.

Calling the language group "Celtic" is based on 17th century, non science, not the research.

On the matter about Germans being Celts, Other than writings of Greeks and Romans of the time, this is all we really have to go on. The name ‘German’ is itself Celtic. The root gair (near), to mean ‘neighbours’, has been suggested. However the root gaé (spear), to mean ‘spear-carrier’ or ‘sharp-witted’, is stronger. The Roman word germanus (‘real’ or ‘authentic’) takes up the latter meaning.

These are all good points. My problem with the current classification is that its purpose seems, according to most historians I have read, to be politically motivated only, to prove Celtic origins of England. Its intention was not to look into the true origins of the Celtic language. The Scottish Highlanders are of interest to me for their oral traditions and customs. Here is opinion of someone with more knowledge than me or the people 17th century and unlike them they use science. I was calling it a hypothesis but it may be more a theory. 'Welsh aren't 'true' Celts' http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/welsh-arent-true-celts-claim-2354395 THE MODERN nations that consider themselves to be Celtic are not actually anything to do with the "true Celts" who once dominated Iron Age Europe, according to anthropological research.The Welsh, Irish and other peoples who regard themselves as Celtic cousins are in fact ancient Bretons who include the original English peoples. Being Celtic is not about blood, tribes and red hair; nor is it about loving folk music and believing in the little people.In a landmark special to be broadcast tonight, anthropologist Richard Rudgley, who comes from London, aims to separate myth from fact as he reveals the Celtic world. Chris Malone, producer for Granada TV, joined him on the journey tracing the Celtic tradition across the world and said that it actually originated with the "true Celts" of central Europe.Mr Malone said, "It is assumed that the Celts are the people who speak a 'Celtic' language like the Scots and Welsh."These are the peoples who were pushed to the fringes after the Roman invasion. People also think about the Celtic crosses, and about the whole pagan druid thing."But those are all the cliches. When the Romans arrived in Britain, they never described the people as Celts. Like I said before this has always been known by some people, but it has never had the science behind it. The current model from the 17th century has no science behind it. I try to approach subject with care because I know some people have very strong feelings of nationality.

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Current Celtic language theory? is based on the discovery around 1700 that the non-English island tongues relate to that of the ancient continental Gauls, who really were called Celts. problems with theory. Is there evidence that only one Celtic language existed. No Is there evidence that more than one Celtic language existed. Yes

a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.

Modern archeology shows that there was major Celtic cities in modern day Germany and surrounding areas c. 500 BC. Could they have displaced by Germans from the north, sure... But we also have evidence by both Greek and Roman writers that claim the two came from the same people. I also have evidence from a writer within the Scotish Highlander community saying the same thing from the year 1831, long before archeology supported this. This is what my hypothesis is based on.

we are debating not arguing b.t.w.

That is not what the dictionary states. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory

You have to understand a theory is accepted as true... it also can't be proven as true, thus it is a theory. It is a modern myth that a theory = fact. the·o·ry noun \ˈthē-ə-rē, ˈthir-ē\ : an idea or set of ideas that is intended to explain facts or events : an idea that is suggested or presented as possibly true but that is not known or proven to be true

The literature I have read based on The Scotish Highlanders customs and traditions state that Germanic and Celt/Kelt are the same also. They are anciently both called Celts/Kelts. I understand Romans used propaganda, that is why Greek sources and archeology are also important.

I can't trust a 17th century language classification based on an assumption over the words of both Greek and Roman historians and archeological evidence though...

However, there is one thing that the Romans, modern archaeologists and the Iron Age islanders themselves would all agree on: they were not Celts. This was an invention of the 18th century; the name was not used earlier. The idea came from the discovery around 1700 that the non-English island tongues relate to that of the ancient continental Gauls, who really were called Celts. This ancient continental ethnic label was applied to the wider family of languages. But 'Celtic' was soon extended to describe insular monuments, art, culture and peoples, ancient and modern: island 'Celtic' identity was born, like Britishness, in the 18th century. However, language does not determine ethnicity (that would make the modern islanders 'Germans', since they mostly speak English, classified as a Germanic tongue). And anyway, no one knows how or when the languages that we choose to call 'Celtic', arrived in the archipelago - they were already long established and had diversified into several tongues, when our evidence begins. Certainly, there is no reason to link the coming of 'Celtic' language with any great 'Celtic invasions' from Europe during the Iron Age, because there is no hard evidence to suggest there were any. Source: BBC History: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ancient/british_prehistory/peoples_01.shtml

This is who was included during the Gallic wars. Several Gallic, Belgic, British and Aquitanian tribes as well as portions of Germanic and Iberian tribesmen.

They did do some damage though... "The Belgian Eburones, revolted and smashed the Fourteenth legion. Unable to get reinforcements from Rome, it took Caesar about a year to put down the uprising."