aragilar Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Will 0 A.D. run on my system (Ubuntu 9.04), its specs are 1.6GHz centrino processor, 1.5 GB RAM, Intel 915 Grapics Card, basically Compaq Presario V2325AP.I ask because when I attempt to run it, a window appears for a few seconds, then the following error messages appear in the terminal:TIMER| InitVfs: 2.39276 msTIMER| InitScripting: 4.39253 msTIMER| CONFIG_Init: 34.9378 msget fences failed: -1param: 6, val: 0TIMER| write_sys_info: 40.4529 msogl_tex.cpp(697): Performance warning: your graphics card does not support compressed textures. The game will try to continue anyway, but may be slower than expected. Please try updating your graphics drivers; if that doesn't help, please try upgrading your hardware.udbg_bfd_init: loading symbols from ./pyrogenesis_dbg.*** stack smashing detected ***: ./pyrogenesis_dbg terminated======= Backtrace: =========/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x48)[0xb73ecda8]/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x0)[0xb73ecd60]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x8497fa0]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x846addc]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x846b341]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x848361b]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x8483e95]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x84857e3]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x847db9a]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x847eef1]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x847f048]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x8484c3f]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x830203b]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x827da34]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x827e4f4]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x81db5ab]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x81db651]/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe5)[0xb7305775]./pyrogenesis_dbg[0x81da861]======= Memory map: ========08048000-0857e000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 15569554 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/usr/lib/libvorbis.so.0.4.0b711a000-b711b000 r-xp 0001a000 08:01 11503931 /usr/lib/libvorbis.so.0.4.0b711b000-b7129000 rwxp 0001b000 08:01 11503931 /usr/lib/libvorbis.so.0.4.0b7129000-b715b000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 11502848 /usr/lib/libnspr4.sob715b000-b715c000 r-xp 00031000 08:01 11502848 /usr/lib/libnspr4.sob715c000-b715d000 rwxp 00032000 08:01 11502848 /usr/lib/libnspr4.sob715d000-b715f000 rwxp b715d000 00:00 0 b715f000-b7177000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 16334873 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0b7177000-b7178000 r-xp 00017000 08:01 16334873 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0b7178000-b7179000 rwxp 00018000 08:01 16334873 /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1.1.0b7179000-b7181000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 11502949 /usr/lib/libdrm.so.2.4.0b7181000-b7182000 r-xp 00007000 08:01 11502949 /usr/lib/libdrm.so.2.4.0b7182000-b7183000 rwxp 00008000 08:01 11502949 /usr/lib/libdrm.so.2.4.0b7183000-b7187000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 11503194 /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0b7187000-b7188000 rwxp 00003000 08:01 11503194 /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3.1.0b7188000-b7189000 rwxp b7188000 00:00 0 b7189000-b718b000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 16335153 /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1.1.0b718b000-b718c000 rwxp 00001000 08:01 16335153 /usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1.1.0b718c000-b7190000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 11501835 /usr/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1.0.0b7190000-b7191000 r-xp 00003000 08:01 11501835 /usr/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1.0.0b7191000-b7192000 rwxp 00004000 08:01 11501835 /usr/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1.0.0b7192000-b71a0000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 11501702 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0b71a0000-b71a1000 r-xp 0000d000 08:01 11501702 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0b71a1000-b71a2000 rwxp 0000e000 08:01 11501702 /usr/lib/libXext.so.6.4.0b71a2000-b71b5000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 11505174 /usr/lib/libdirect-1.0.so.0.1.0b71b5000-b71b6000 r-xp 00012000 08:01 11505174 /usr/lib/libdirect-1.0.so.0.1.0b71b6000-b71b7000 rwxp 00013000 08:01 11505174 /usr/lib/libdirect-1.0.so.0.1.0b71b7000-b71be000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 11505193 /usr/lib/libfusion-1.0.so.0.1.0b71be000-b71bf000 r-xp 00006000 08:01 11505193 /usr/lib/libfusion-1.0.so.0.1.0b71bf000-b71c0000 rwxp 00007000 08:01 11505193 /usr/lib/libfusion-1.0.so.0.1.0b71c0000-b71c1000 rwxp b71c0000 00:00 0 b71c1000-b7225000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 11505176 /usr/lib/libdirectfb-1.0.so.0.1.0b7225000-b7226000 r-xp 00063000 08:01 11505176 /usr/lib/libdirectfb-1.0.so.0.1.0b7226000-b7227000 rwxp 00064000 08:01 11505176 /usr/lib/libdirectfb-1.0.so.0.1.0b7227000-b72ea000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 11502554 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0b72ea000-b72ec000 r-xp 000c2000 08:01 11502554 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0b72ec000-b72ef000 rwxp 000c4000 08:01 11502554 /usr/lib/libasound.so.2.0.0b72ef000-b744b000 r-xp 00000000 08:01 4587619 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.9.sob744b000-b744c000 ---p 0015c000 08:01 4587619 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.9.sob744c000-b744e000 r-xp 0015c000 08:01 4587619 /lib/tls/i686/cmov/liAborted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefwhosm Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Intel 915 Grapics CardI should imagine that with that card you'll have to set all the shader options to off/lowest in the localconfig file whereever possible.I have the card on a netbook and I know from experience the "fun" in getting new engines to play nicely with it (though in Windows that is). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aragilar Posted July 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I made the suggested changes in the GettingStarted wiki page, still doesn't work. If anyone succeeds in running 0 A.D. on the Intel 915 Graphics Card, can you post the setttings used to get it to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos_Ruler Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 What version of OpenGL and other drivers do you have? I am just taking a stab in the dark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ykkrosh Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 I can run the game (very slowly) on an Intel 945GM, but don't know about 915.That backtrace doesn't look very informative - could you try running it in gdb to see where it says it's failing? ("gdb ./pyrogenesis_dbg", then "r", then wait until it dies, then "bt", then "q") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janwas Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Sorry, but that message gives more hope than it should. While people are welcome to try it out, the game just won't run adequately on gfx cards without S3TC compression, multitexturing and certain other extensions. I'd say at least GF3-class graphics cards are needed.What version of OpenGL and other drivers do you have? I am just taking a stab in the dark.Good question in general (and the game will tell you via binaries\logs\system_info.txt), but in this case even newer drivers won't help because this chipset isn't really up to the task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aragilar Posted July 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 From system_info.txtOpenGL Drivers : 1.4 Mesa 7.4; OpenGL 1.4 Mesa 7.4From gdb:#0 0xb7f5f430 in __kernel_vsyscall ()#1 0xb735c6d0 in raise () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6#2 0xb735e098 in abort () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6#3 0xb739a24d in ?? () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6#4 0xb742eda8 in __fortify_fail () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6#5 0xb742ed60 in __stack_chk_fail () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6#6 0x08497fa0 in debug_DumpStack (buf=0xafd0e4fc, max_chars=130753) at ../../../source/lib/sysdep/os/linux/ldbg.cpp:129#7 0x0846addc in debug_BuildErrorMessage (description=0xa5aa0a8, filename=0x84e15a1 "ogl_tex.cpp", line=697, func=0x84e1c80 "detect_gl_upload_caps", context=0x0, lastFuncToSkip=0x84e16ca "debug_DisplayError", emm=0xbff7bf20) at ../../../source/lib/debug.cpp:316#8 0x0846b341 in debug_DisplayError (description=0xa5aa0a8, flags=0, context=0x0, lastFuncToSkip=0x84e16ca "debug_DisplayError", pathname=0x84e1580 "../../../source/lib/res/graphics/ogl_tex.cpp", line=697, func=0x84e1c80 "detect_gl_upload_caps", suppress=0x0) at ../../../source/lib/debug.cpp:437#9 0x0848361b in detect_gl_upload_caps () at ../../../source/lib/res/graphics/ogl_tex.cpp:697#10 0x08483e95 in ogl_tex_upload (ht=8589934594, fmt_ovr=6406, q_flags_ovr=0, int_fmt_ovr=0) at ../../../source/lib/res/graphics/ogl_tex.cpp:820#11 0x084857e3 in UniFont_reload (f=0xa4faa50, basename=@0xbff7c2fc) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefwhosm Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 It just struck me. I seem to recall the 915 (btw i'm fairly certain the 915 is the 945, they just confuse you like that) has a cut down version of opengl, in the same way it has a very cut down version of dx7 (even though its classed as dx9 compatible).If the 945 is working the 915 should too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ykkrosh Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 OpenGL Drivers : 1.4 Mesa 7.4; OpenGL 1.4 Mesa 7.4Just out of interest (since it won't make much of a difference in terms of the game being properly playable): What does "glxinfo | grep renderer" say?#4 0xb742eda8 in __fortify_fail () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6#5 0xb742ed60 in __stack_chk_fail () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6#6 0x08497fa0 in debug_DumpStack (buf=0xafd0e4fc, max_chars=130753) at ../../../source/lib/sysdep/os/linux/ldbg.cpp:129Hmm, looks a bit like game is trying to print a stack trace for the your-graphics-card-is-too-slow warning, and the stack is getting corrupted while trying to do that. I have no idea why it wouldn't work, though... Could you perhaps try modifying source/lib/sysdep/os/linux/ldbg.cpp around line 127 (in debug_DumpStack, just before the "return INFO::OK" line) and add printf(">>>\n%ls<<<\n", buf);and then compile and run and then (hopefully) it'll print a new message before the "*** stack smashing detected ***" which you could post here.i'm fairly certain the 915 is the 945It looks like 915 is GMA900, 945 is GMA950, so they're different hardware (though on Linux the i915 drivers are used for both). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefwhosm Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 Ah you're right. I was thinking 950, not 915 when talking about my netbook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fkdesign Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Hello,soooo, after having mostly the same problem, posting in another thread, then seeing this one and realizing this is actually the exact same result I get ... whatever, I have a Radeon 9600 XT - so probably fast enough in itself - but with them free 'radeon' drivers, since fglrx doesn't support my card any more . I added that line and got this:TIMER| InitVfs: 146.782 msTIMER| InitScripting: 32.1806 msTIMER| CONFIG_Init: 109.459 msTIMER| write_sys_info: 195.272 msogl_tex.cpp(697): Performance warning: your graphics card does not support compressed textures. The game will try to continue anyway, but may be slower than expected. Please try updating your graphics drivers; if that doesn't help, please try upgrading your hardware.udbg_bfd_init: loading symbols from ./pyrogenesis_dbg.>>>(0x0849bc9c) ldbg.cpp:99 debug_DumpStack(wchar_t*, unsigned int, void*, char const*)(0x0846db1c) debug.cpp:316 debug_BuildErrorMessage(wchar_t const*, char const*, int, char const*, void*, char const*, ErrorMessageMem*)(0x0846e081) debug.cpp:437 debug_DisplayError(wchar_t const*, unsigned int, void*, char const*, char const*, int, char const*, unsigned char*)(0x08485f17) ogl_tex.cpp:698 detect_gl_upload_caps(0x08486791) ogl_tex.cpp:822 ogl_tex_upload(long long, unsigned int, int, int)(0x0848a41b) unifont.cpp:167 UniFont_reload(0x084827d2) h_mgr.cpp:506 call_init_and_reload(0x08483b29) h_mgr.cpp:545 alloc_new_handle(0x08483c80) h_mgr.cpp:580 h_alloc(H_VTbl*, boost::filesystem::basic_path<std::string, VfsPathTraits> const&, unsigned int, ...)(0x08489877) unifont.cpp:210 unifont_load(boost::filesystem::basic_path<std::string, VfsPathTraits> const&, unsigned int)(0x08326f67) Font.cpp:46 CFont(0x082806f4) GameSetup.cpp:617 InitPs(0x082811b4) GameSetup.cpp:1014 Init(CmdLineArgs const&, int)(0x081db5ab) main.cpp:399 RunGameOrAtlas(0x081db651) main.cpp:416 main(0xb7368775) /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6:0 __libc_start_main<<<*** stack smashing detected ***: ./pyrogenesis_dbg terminated... and so on.After googling a bit, I found out that 'Stack smahing detected' is a new GCC security feature to detect buffer overflows. So, I guess what is happening here is a simple buffer overflow somewhere.Regards,fk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ykkrosh Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Whoops, there was a "file[DBG_FILE_LEN]=0;" which quite possibly triggered that stack-smashing error. Fixed in SVN now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fkdesign Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 Yup, works for me now. I guess I can blame those(C)ontinue, (B)reak, Launch (D)ebugger, or (E)xit? things onto my graphics drivers?Apart from that, I can see much potential for this. Oh, and nice skyboxes you have there. Very much historically accurate, I imagine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ykkrosh Posted July 17, 2009 Report Share Posted July 17, 2009 You can blame the "ogl_tex.cpp(697): Performance warning: your graphics card does not support compressed textures" message on the graphics drivers, and the Continue/Break/etc message is a consequence of that. It might be possible to avoid the warning by enabling S3TC as in http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/S3TC (e.g. with the x11-libs/libtxcdxtn package on Gentoo) - otherwise the game will decompress its textures and use a load more RAM than it ought to (hence the warning). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavolzetor Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 radeon driver does not support 3d accelerationI have Intel x4500MHD and game runs slow (res. 800x600, all efects which are in wiki are disabled)OpenGL vendor string: Tungsten Graphics, IncOpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Mobile Intel® GM45 Express Chipset GEM 20090114 OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 7.5-rc4OpenGL shading language version string: 1.20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldandil Posted February 2, 2010 Report Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) I am sorry, maybe I posted on the wrong forum. I don't know how to delete this. Sorry. Mods can delete it if they want. Edited February 3, 2010 by Aldandil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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